<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21553664</id><updated>2012-01-16T22:21:16.382-06:00</updated><category term='cliff doerksen'/><category term='quebecois beer-drinking'/><category term='cobalt'/><category term='cardiomyopathy'/><title type='text'>Us, Robots</title><subtitle type='html'>A Two Cultures blog</subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>Amy Charles</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07001791173242631714</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>42</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21553664.post-4041764266617741003</id><published>2011-07-31T15:23:00.024-05:00</published><updated>2011-12-01T23:53:02.311-06:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='cobalt'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='cliff doerksen'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='quebecois beer-drinking'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='cardiomyopathy'/><title type='text'>Je me souviens</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="fullpost"&gt;My late friend &lt;a href="http://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/beard-award-winner-cliff-doerksen-mince-pie/Content?oid=1774719"&gt;Cliff Doerksen&lt;/a&gt; was the author of &lt;a href="http://mrparallel.wordpress.com/"&gt;The Hope Chest&lt;/a&gt;, a &lt;a href="http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2011/03/of-fairy-tales-and-molecules.html"&gt;Grimm&lt;/a&gt;-for-grownups chronicle of people &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="fullpost"&gt;wreaking grotesque forms of havoc and &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="fullpost"&gt;dismembering each other between lunch and supper, early in the 20th century. Not unusual, perhaps, for a fella who grew up with a &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Mennonite-German-Dictionary-Mennonitisch-Plattdeutsches-W%C3%B6rterbuch/dp/0924119098"&gt;language&lt;/a&gt; which retains words like &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="fullpost"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span class="fullpost"&gt;&lt;b&gt;tjrepiere:&lt;/b&gt; &lt;i&gt;w.v.&lt;/i&gt; to die a miserable death (of animals). &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He'd have been delighted, I think, by the 50-year-old news I came across recently in JAMA: Quebec has an indigenous beer-drinkers' disease. Great news for some Canadian agency I'm sure:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-VqGTrYCM4wA/TjWvUBoYNbI/AAAAAAAAAFA/CJEHs3y8nuw/s1600/Picture%2B92.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-VqGTrYCM4wA/TjWvUBoYNbI/AAAAAAAAAFA/CJEHs3y8nuw/s1600/Picture%2B92.png" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In a race with Omaha and Louvain for priority? I guess it's big civic business, having a rep for dangerbeer. Reminds me of those gleeful Alps signs that tell you how many people are Todt after trying a climb. Omaha, I regret to inform, has never recovered from the defeat. Anyway, these guys must've come in groaning and clutching themselves, or maybe carried in by les copains, because they were in truly lousy shape:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-AIH41AdtK7g/TjWxvvPAc9I/AAAAAAAAAFM/v2Kq-Xjoe4s/s1600/Picture+93.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-AIH41AdtK7g/TjWxvvPAc9I/AAAAAAAAAFM/v2Kq-Xjoe4s/s1600/Picture+93.png" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For those of you who aren't up late with PubMed every night: Apart from the self-explanatory, these guys had shortness of breath; a blue tint to the skin signifying oxygen deprivation (never desirable despite the emo vampires); an enlarged liver; legs and hands so swollen you could leave a finger-dent in them like they were bread dough; a racing heart; an absence of the usual reassuring lub-dub; and low blood pressure. The chemical gobbledygook had to do with damage to and breakdown of one's own muscle. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Furthermore, their thyroids were looking precancerous, their veins were clotted, their guts were all torn up, and their heart muscle tissue looked absolutely like hell. I'll spare you the sarcoplasmic details, but they were gory on the cellular level. In short, they were so badly messed up that half of them died:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-40EIAJsu5qo/TjWgJ0BMNtI/AAAAAAAAAEg/uaTkO6CBMPo/s1600/Picture%2B95.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-40EIAJsu5qo/TjWgJ0BMNtI/AAAAAAAAAEg/uaTkO6CBMPo/s1600/Picture%2B95.png" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You'll note there was full redemption for the survivors. Normally, if you've gotten yourself into a bad way with beer and you lay off the sauce full stop, your odds of recovering -- with the help of heart meds -- aren't bad. Can't put the bottle down? You're likely dead within five years. But these guys kept right on boozing along and got off scot-free. All their nightmarish Quebecois/Omahan/Louvainesque symptoms disappeared. The reason? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The "tireless probing of the Quebec investigators" (here's why Omaha didn't win the title: sloth) determined that they'd been temporarily poisoned by a &lt;a href="http://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/ArticleArchives?category=2810776"&gt;key ingredient&lt;/a&gt; in the beer: cobalt.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://images-of-elements.com/cobalt.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="260" src="http://images-of-elements.com/cobalt.jpg" width="260" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Cobalt, the metal used to make that pretty blue glass. (Its name is from &lt;i&gt;kobold&lt;/i&gt;, the German for "household goblin".) What fancy footwork led the Quebec investigators to the heavy metal? Pretty simple, really. The parade of the wretched arrived at the Quebec hospitals shortly after local breweries began adding cobalt, and ended when cobalt was taken out of the recipe.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Cobalt was used as a beer foam stabilizer in the 1960s. After all, you didn't want to be the French Joe sitting around drinking half a case of headless beer. So this was better living through chemistry. These days we have better better living through chemistry; you can credit the clarity of your beer and the creamy excelsior nature of its head to compounds like &lt;strike&gt;DRACULAR&lt;/strike&gt; &lt;a href="http://www.grace.com/EngineeredMaterials/ProductsAndApplications/Food/BeerStabilization.aspx"&gt;DARACLAR&lt;/a&gt;, a silica additive from the W. C. Grace corporation.&amp;nbsp; À votre santé.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;** &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Hope Chest, though delightful, was one of just many literary forms of screwing around for Cliff. You can also read his &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/American-Babel-Rogue-Radio-Broadcasters/dp/0812238710"&gt;serious book&lt;/a&gt;, which he described as "slightly longer than a Hallmark card",&amp;nbsp; or hear why hotel room service might not be all you'd want in a &lt;a href="http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/394/bait-and-switch"&gt;day job&lt;/a&gt;. There's quite a lot of Cliff's writing at the &lt;a href="http://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/good-prose-from-the-past/Content?oid=2922455"&gt;Chicago Reader&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://timeoutchicago.com/search/apachesolr_search/doerksen?tabtype=article,tony_blog_post"&gt;Time Out Chicago&lt;/a&gt;, including the mince-pie history for which he had the good sense to win a 2010 James Beard award, though I'm particularly fond of his roundhousing of &lt;a href="http://leapfrog.timeoutchicagokids.com/things-to-do/hipsqueak-blog/25935/a-gynic-moment"&gt;this book&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/21553664-4041764266617741003?l=usrobots.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/feeds/4041764266617741003/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21553664&amp;postID=4041764266617741003' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/4041764266617741003'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/4041764266617741003'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2011/07/je-me-souviens.html' title='Je me souviens'/><author><name>Amy Charles</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07001791173242631714</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-VqGTrYCM4wA/TjWvUBoYNbI/AAAAAAAAAFA/CJEHs3y8nuw/s72-c/Picture%2B92.png' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21553664.post-8631611610209871360</id><published>2011-03-06T02:14:00.059-06:00</published><updated>2011-12-28T02:09:01.251-06:00</updated><title type='text'>Of fairy tales and molecules</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="fullpost"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QaQa-lES5gM/TXNHojLauAI/AAAAAAAAADQ/4JMxMses61I/s1600/Picture%2B8.png"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5580883125205645314" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QaQa-lES5gM/TXNHojLauAI/AAAAAAAAADQ/4JMxMses61I/s320/Picture%2B8.png" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; height: 317px; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; width: 210px;" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="fullpost"&gt;At long last my daughter is interested in Lise Lunge-Larsen's &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Troll-Heart-His-Body/dp/0395913713" style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Troll With No Heart in His Body&lt;/a&gt;, which delights me because truly horrible things happen in these well-told Norwegian fairy tales. Boys feed their horses to hungry wolves; princesses are forced to massage trolls' aching heads; troll children are boiled for their parents' dinner; greedy boys aid in their own kidnapping. Why do I inflict these things on my daughter? Because, of course, I am a loving mother who wants to prepare her child well for life.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Before you call my view ghoulish, have a look at Marvin Minsky's view of fairy tales. Minsky, for those of you unacquainted with artificial-intelligence giants of the 20th century, was the AI giant fictionalized in Richard Powers' &lt;a href="http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2006/09/objective-is-fertile-procedure-is-it.html"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Galatea 2.2&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.  He's funnier in real life; this is from a &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Times &lt;/span&gt;interview in 1998:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Q. Do you believe the National Aeronautics and Space Administration wastes money by insisting on humans for space exploration?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A. It's not that they waste money. It's that they waste ALL the money.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="fullpost"&gt;Here's Minsky talking about fairy tales in the midst of explaining why AI still isn't so terrific; this is from a &lt;a href="http://www.terasemjournals.org/PCJournal/PC0303/mm1.html"&gt;discussion&lt;/a&gt; of his book &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Emotion-Machine-Commonsense-Artificial-Intelligence/dp/0743276639"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Emotion Machine&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="fullpost"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The thing we most desperately need to know is what kind of problems neuro networks can solve and what kinds they cannot solve. What kinds of problems can be solved by logic and which cannot?  The logic cannot reason by analogies, for example.  What kinds of processes can evolve by genetics and which need intelligent creators to help?  The simple answer to that one is genetics can only build creatures that know how to solve relatively small numbers of very serious problems because you have just so many genes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A child knows ten million things.  When you tell children fairy tales they learn tens of thousands of bad things that happen to people. Genetics cannot do that.  Genetics can learn to avoid a situation where you have an even .1 percent better chance of survival if you react in a certain way.  But that means you can only learn a few thousands things.  What genetics cannot do is accumulate a huge knowledge basis.  It could if you had four billion nucleotides in your genome.  If that were a real database, you would not have to go to school.  Genetics remembers why your ancestors survived but it keeps no record of why almost everyone else died.  It is an interesting fact that you do not see.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/--Pjj9cseoZ0/TXNIYdn8HiI/AAAAAAAAADY/I0hIqK2BbOM/s1600/Picture%2B9.png"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5580883948348382754" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/--Pjj9cseoZ0/TXNIYdn8HiI/AAAAAAAAADY/I0hIqK2BbOM/s320/Picture%2B9.png" style="cursor: pointer; float: right; height: 233px; margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; width: 193px;" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="fullpost"&gt;This is on the money. When you tell children fairy tales -- or any of the other stories we regard as classic -- they learn tens of thousands of bad things that happen to people, and if they're bright, then later in life they'll make analogies. They'll recognize that someone is like the wolf, or Gollum, or a troll, or the vain Queen who wanted to kill Snow White. They'll be on the lookout for the goose that lays golden eggs, so as not to kill it. And someday, in middle age, after a long, harrowing decade of failure and sickness and travail, they may be offered an opportunity. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="fullpost"&gt;Something wonderful. Something like a feast. And just before they close a fist around a drumstick, they may suddenly notice that this huge banquet hall belongs to someone, and remember that there's a daughter back home who may be the price of this dinner.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I had fairy tales rattling around in the back of my mind while I was sitting in a biochemistry class the other day. I heartily recommend sitting in biochemistry classes, by the way, especially if the seats are nice. They're terribly soothing and give you the impression that we've got all of life squared away, and goddamn if those spacefilling representations of transmembrane proteins aren't pretty.  Anyway: There I am, looking at schematic representations of biochemical pathways, and it occurs to me that every one of these pathway diagrams is an attempt at telling a story in biochemical language. You've got an outcome -- a molecule at the end -- and from there a few decades' earnest work's gone into figuring out how in hell that happened. Out of all the material floating around in a cell and environs, what made this molecule happen? And how -- how did it get from inputs to product? How did this happen? What's the most plausible story?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-SXklpANxq18/TXPnw2vcbDI/AAAAAAAAAD4/dfmps5lo62U/s1600/Picture%2B12.png"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5581059189756423218" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-SXklpANxq18/TXPnw2vcbDI/AAAAAAAAAD4/dfmps5lo62U/s200/Picture%2B12.png" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; height: 121px; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; width: 162px;" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="fullpost"&gt;Some of this was not exactly Joycean epiphany. For the last few years, I've been researching the work of the Calvin photosynthesis lab in the '40s and '50s and the work of its competition, especially at Chicago. So I'm aware that one slide, one biochemical story, is the distillation of decades' work involving dozens of of people chasing down this story: Light, carbon dioxide, water -- how does a plant get from that to sugar and oxygen? The diagram at left represents not just feverish work and cameraderie, and millions of dollars, but vicious rivalries, accusations, broken careers, and arguments, some of which still reverberate today.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-lho7A9R8aFk/TXNLpXch6zI/AAAAAAAAADo/B5sxQOE21LA/s1600/Picture%2B10.png"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5580887537282575154" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-lho7A9R8aFk/TXNLpXch6zI/AAAAAAAAADo/B5sxQOE21LA/s320/Picture%2B10.png" style="cursor: pointer; display: block; height: 132px; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center; width: 210px;" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 85%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Heinrich_Warburg"&gt;Otto Warburg&lt;/a&gt;, Urbana, 1948.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="fullpost"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The idea of biochemistry as storytelling wasn't new to me, either: I remember my scandalized delight, about ten years ago, sitting in my first biochemistry class and hearing some cavalier description of what went on in the black box of the cell, and realizing that the biochemists were &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;making shit up&lt;/span&gt;. Just inventing plausible stories.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Last week, though, I had a freshly immediate view of the obsessive quality of hunting down missing information, nudging bits of pathway into place, because in December a bad thing did happen in my life and the lives of many other people: a man I loved killed himself. I've done little in the two months since but try to put together an unknowable story. Of all the elements of a life, which cause a suicide? What were the key events and transformations? Who was he as a boy, how did he turn from that to the man I knew, what pushed him to commit suicide? All there is to generate is plausible stories. So I felt, or perhaps read in, an urgency in how these schema had been composed. Given the stakes for scientists -- the two-year deadline to publish Amazing Stories and free oneself from the postdoc ghetto, tenure on the line, the career on the brink of extermination, the fights over authorship -- reading in a sense of nausea and urgency, a need to make a pathway work, may not be unreasonable, even if its source is not the same as mine.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Fx-Atk2enDA/TXPmT6SDpRI/AAAAAAAAADw/pCa_-KPVTXY/s1600/Picture%2B11.png"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5581057592979072274" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Fx-Atk2enDA/TXPmT6SDpRI/AAAAAAAAADw/pCa_-KPVTXY/s320/Picture%2B11.png" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; height: 108px; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; width: 111px;" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="fullpost"&gt;As I listened to the professor explain the slides, I was caught anew by the repetitive, modular nature of biochemical stories. It's biochemistry's promise and delight: Motifs, mechanisms, and entire chunks of pathways are used over and over again. The kinase, the phosphorylation, the allostery, the amplification, the negative feedback regulation; the barrel, the EF hand, the alpha helix, the rotating head.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Fairy tales are also enormously modular and repetitive. Anyone who's read more than a few recognizes the recycling of motifs. There are the magic food props: The cloth that, when spread, produces a feast; the porridge pot that produces porridge on command (and won't stop till told! Oh no!). There's the stick that will fly off and beat the enemy. There's the mote in the eye, the sliver of ice in the heart, the sword that only its rightful owner can lift, the shoe that fits only one foot. And it's not just motifs that are reused like Tinkertoys; whole chunks of story, indeed whole stories are repeated and revised, which is what allowed Antti Aarne and Stith Thompson to &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aarne-Thompson_classification_system"&gt;classify folk and fairy tales&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Have a look at that link, by the way. You may be surprised by how many kinds of stories you know.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;***&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At the beginning of the semester, as I admired the many biochemical pathways we'd be studying and the armies of clever scientists and mountains of money it'd taken to produce them, it seemed to me that something was wrong. All these triumphs, all these pieces, heaped up all over the floor: but where was the synthesis? Where, in there, was an intuitive sense of how life goes, on this biochemical level? And how does it connect to a human experience of life? If we didn't have that yet -- if there wasn't enough information -- why &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;not&lt;/span&gt;, for crying out loud? What else did we need?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I thought this was, perhaps, a fanciful of me, and I dropped the idea. But looking at the pathway schema I thought I'd actually had the right idea. Minsky is right: Fairy tales tell children about all sorts of things that can go wrong. They also do something else that's essential: they teach children how stories go. Not just types of stories -- if you go to the wolf's house, you can expect trouble -- but the grammar of a genre. You know that in a fairy tale, there will be some sort of danger or adventure. There will not be an extended philosophical meditation. Things are likely to happen in threes. The story will not drift off in some postmodern manner, and anomie will not be featured; the end will very likely involve a comeuppance, a stroke of luck, something emphatic. It will not be three hundred pages long. If these rules are violated, you'll feel something's gone wrong, because this is not how fairy tales work. Overall, you'll have a sense of how the fairy-tale world goes: Life is brisk, thieves are everywhere, foolishness is fatal, a clever girl is a prize, suffering is routine but reversible, fortune exists and so does hunger, mind your manners and who you talk to, we live pink-cheeked in the midst of death.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Not only that, but there's a &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;feeling&lt;/span&gt; to that world. There's a certain quality to the unease, a warning against any but canny ambition. There are forests, often dangerous but potentially friendly. An earthy enjoyment of life is possible, but there's a smell, except in certain enchanted spots, of fungi. Even if you've never heard axe on bone, you know the sound.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-e7NWJO2Jxsc/TXPo1-JocvI/AAAAAAAAAEA/ZiOFUE-WTjs/s1600/Picture%2B13.png"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5581060377156285170" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-e7NWJO2Jxsc/TXPo1-JocvI/AAAAAAAAAEA/ZiOFUE-WTjs/s200/Picture%2B13.png" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; height: 196px; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; width: 200px;" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="fullpost"&gt;Fairy tales also teach &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;particularity&lt;/span&gt;: yes, it's true that several stories use the magic cloth, and lots have seven princes in them. There are many variations on quest-with-animal-helper stories. But -- as in biochemistry -- it matters very much how these elements are put together. Look at Sleeping Beauty, for instance. The thirteenth wise woman is forgotten at the christening, crashes the party anyway and curses the babe: she's a near variant of Snow White's evil stepmother. These two stories, though, do very different things. Sleeping Beauty is a story of clemency and redemption, courtesy of another wise woman who quickly commutes the death sentence to a hundred-year sleep. Why is there clemency? Because the spurned wise woman represents a natural force which hasn't been paid proper respect, and for that the king must pay -- though not so heavy a price as the princess's life. That social wrong is also why the spurned wise woman is let go, not seen again in the story. Contrast all this with the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="fullpost"&gt;deliverance from swollen vanity through the huntsman's, dwarves', and prince's love and grace found in Snow White; to make it stick, the evil queen must&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="fullpost"&gt; dance in red-hot iron shoes till she falls down dead at Snow White's wedding to her prince. (The lovely Snow White at left is Nancy Ekholm Burkert's.)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="fullpost"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Similarly, it matters very much in biochemistry how these ubiquitous elements are arranged and where they go. A phosphorylation here turns something on; here, it turns it off. A transport protein in a plasma membrane has a different meaning from a structurally similar transport protein in a mitochondrial membrane. It turns out that familiarity with the grammar of biochemistry is essential, but context is all.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To recap: The fairy tale is a machine, the enzyme is a machine: each is built of recurring elements, and how they're put together matters. To know what any new scene or biochemical event is &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;like&lt;/span&gt;, to be able to draw an analogy and guess at how things are likely to go, you must have a vast library of such stories and variations in your head.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;***&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you take a step back, and look at the body of literature -- not just fairy tales, but epics and Victorian novels and high modernist dramas and cheap romances and fan stories and internet-forum memoirs and all the rest -- you'll see that your sense of how stories go isn't limited to fairy tale.  When you hear a story, you slot it into a category; all these categories comprise your sense of how stories can go. And because we make narratives of life, to guard against meaninglessness and futility, these categories also guide our sense of how our lives go.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thinking these things, I was reminded of a moment during an interview science historian Arthur Norberg did with Melvin Calvin. Calvin, at the time, was about 15 years past his Nobel Prize in Chemistry. Norberg, trained in physics, asked Calvin a chemical question which Calvin rejected. Norberg persisted, asking why, and Calvin gave him a torrential explanation, ending in, "Nature isn't like that."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1Bih4I6X8ag/TXPu0jsJT4I/AAAAAAAAAEI/FdJxd-n8FAs/s1600/Picture%2B14.png"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5581066949943185282" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1Bih4I6X8ag/TXPu0jsJT4I/AAAAAAAAAEI/FdJxd-n8FAs/s200/Picture%2B14.png" style="cursor: pointer; display: block; height: 156px; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center; width: 200px;" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 85%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Don't screw with &lt;a href="http://sciencematters.berkeley.edu/archives/volume2/issue11/legacy.php"&gt;this guy&lt;/a&gt;, either.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="fullpost"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A remark like that stems from an intuitive and deeply informed, though of course not infallible, sense of how nature does work. It seems to me that those with long and thoughtful careers in biochemistry probably do have as intuitive and informed a sense of how biochemical nature goes as I have a sense of how stories go. That just as I can say, immediately, "No, that can't happen in that kind of story," or "Shifting literary writers into MFA programs is impoverishing American letters, here's why," or, "That's a gangbuster story but you couldn't go longer than a novella," or "I'm sorry, I don't really know how poetry works," a good and talented biochemist does have an intuitive synthetic sense of the many, many biochemical stories she knows. And she probably has some deeply personal sense of what it might mean.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If this is so -- and I bet it is -- then the biochemist knows something that's worth hearing but probably not often articulated. After all, one does not write grant proposals that rest on one's essayistic wisdom on life's biochemical flux. Translational science wants patentable, clinically useful results, not meditations on what those heaps of pathways mean.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We're lucky, though, in that we live in a golden age of science blogs, with dozens of scientists who happen also to be talented writers reflecting on their work. My question to readers: Do you know of any who are, in effect, scholars of biochemical stories, and who write essays on the landscape of hundreds, even thousands of biochemical pathways, elucidated at such cost?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/21553664-8631611610209871360?l=usrobots.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/feeds/8631611610209871360/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21553664&amp;postID=8631611610209871360' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/8631611610209871360'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/8631611610209871360'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2011/03/of-fairy-tales-and-molecules.html' title='Of fairy tales and molecules'/><author><name>Amy Charles</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07001791173242631714</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QaQa-lES5gM/TXNHojLauAI/AAAAAAAAADQ/4JMxMses61I/s72-c/Picture%2B8.png' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21553664.post-3027443742505559980</id><published>2008-11-16T22:06:00.008-06:00</published><updated>2009-02-04T12:47:05.152-06:00</updated><title type='text'>refractions of the thousand theatres</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_tFbie-YU8t0/SSDyMYNBW-I/AAAAAAAAACc/Ia2CWl26cn8/s1600-h/jstella1.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 276px; height: 320px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_tFbie-YU8t0/SSDyMYNBW-I/AAAAAAAAACc/Ia2CWl26cn8/s320/jstella1.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5269477858492898274" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;I’ve been reading the late Lily Kay’s &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;The Molecular View of Life&lt;/span&gt;, which she began by riding hell-for-leather on the thesis that Caltech – and indeed American biochem and mol bio -- came out of the eugenics movement of the 1920s and 1930s.  The thesis rests on the idea that the funding came from business types interested in eugenics, notably the Rockefeller Foundation trustees, and she spends a good long time nailing down the origins of the business class’s interest in eugenics.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Though Kay was careful to show that most of the scientists involved played the eugenics interest assiduously, I don’t know that in the end the motive for giving money was all that important.  I suspect that the money bent those scientists’ work about as much as Templeton money bends its recipients’ labwork today.  It’s true their talk in the service of the Templeton money may influence where &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;other&lt;/span&gt; money goes, and how the labwork is interpreted; but the story Kay told suggests even Templeton is pissing into the wind, and that the bent of future research will be controlled neither by scientists nor by moneymen with grand social ideas.  What put an end to the (frequently diffuse and incoherent) eugenics talk in funding, and made the funders recollect themselves and start talking human welfare, wasn’t some bunch of opposing moneybags.  It was Hitler and Hiroshima.  The first made eugenics shameful; the second made humble lifesaving opportune.  And so postwar, by Kay’s story, we embarked on 60 years of lifesaving-driven science, and wrote new copy for science done in the name of “the biological improvement of the race”.  The scientists throughout seemed obsessed primarily with the question of how things work.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;By the middle of the book she’d left the funding ideology behind and was busy telling science stories from Caltech.  I was stopped by the tension between structural chemistry and molecular biology -- a minor one in the book, but interesting to me.  I may be misunderstanding what the two fields are, or were, but it strikes me that the tension comes from structural chemistry’s static view – coming as it did from x-ray crystallography -- and molecular biology’s insistance on dynamics, time, sequence, mass action.  This is not a tension that’s unique to science; it’s a major tension in art.  There is tremendous energy and presence in the static thing, as any good painting shows, and yet we know it is a lie; things move, things join, the world is flux.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;How can we know a thing by watching it move, though?  Every impulse of mine is to catch a thing and hold it still, examine it and know its qualities.  Fixed things have enough motion of their own.  Let them go, and too much happens; there are too many frames going by too fast, to understand the life of a crowd or a town except in broadest description, which is unsatisfying – to me, anyway.  I imagine that to some a cell is also too busy and in too much motion.  Mass action instead of the particular.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here is Hart Crane on New York, all motion:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Performances, assortments, resumes –&lt;br /&gt;Up Times Square to Columbus Circle lights&lt;br /&gt;Channel the congresses, nightly sessions,&lt;br /&gt;Refractions of the thousand theatres, faces –&lt;br /&gt;Mysterious kitchens….You shall search them all.&lt;br /&gt;Someday by heart you’ll learn each famous sight&lt;br /&gt;And watch the curtain lift in hell’s despite;&lt;br /&gt;You’ll find the garden in the third act dead,&lt;br /&gt;Finger your knees – and wish yourself in bed&lt;br /&gt;With tabloid crime-sheets perched in easy sight.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;and on the Brooklyn Bridge, a thing:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Through the bound cable strands, the arching path&lt;br /&gt;Upward, veering with light, the flight of strings, --&lt;br /&gt;Taut miles of shuttling moonlight syncopate&lt;br /&gt;The whispered rush, telepathy of wires.&lt;br /&gt;Up the index of night, granite and steel –&lt;br /&gt;Transparent meshes – fleckless the gleaming staves –&lt;br /&gt;Sibylline voices flicker, waveringly stream&lt;br /&gt;As though a god were issue of the strings….&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It hardly moves less.  How strange that we should want to understand things in ways we seem not to be made for.  To understand life and flux as ferociously and deeply as a butterfly on a pin, or crystallized hemoglobin, or a red chair, or a bridge, or a face, or any other thing we can hold still and stare at.  Why should we understand the mass as rapturously as we know the particular?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/21553664-3027443742505559980?l=usrobots.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/feeds/3027443742505559980/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21553664&amp;postID=3027443742505559980' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/3027443742505559980'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/3027443742505559980'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2008/11/refractions-of-thousand-theatres.html' title='refractions of the thousand theatres'/><author><name>Amy Charles</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07001791173242631714</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_tFbie-YU8t0/SSDyMYNBW-I/AAAAAAAAACc/Ia2CWl26cn8/s72-c/jstella1.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21553664.post-4650232299532994307</id><published>2008-10-19T22:23:00.003-05:00</published><updated>2008-10-19T23:48:41.687-05:00</updated><title type='text'>in Sumerian, charmingly</title><content type='html'>The conference went off surprisingly well, and all declared it a success, though I'm suspicious of the number of conference organizers and panelists in the audience.  I suppose that's how it goes for academic conferences, but in theatre you're in trouble if the cast is buying tickets.  I'll have a video up soon of our panel.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;First thing: Rick Kenney's poetry, which you should read.  The first book's out of print, which is unfortunate, because it has &lt;a href="http://forums.lablit.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&amp;t=2850&amp;p=14339#p14207"&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;. But there are good ones in the new book, too, &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;The One-Strand River&lt;/span&gt;; my favorite, "Epicycles", is like something Bradbury might have written if he'd been a &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;much better writer&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the course of preparing for my panel I read some of the panelists' work (once again, I do "academic" wrong; you're supposed to have read something &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;about&lt;/span&gt; their work, I guess, and have a pocket full of &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;brilliant&lt;/span&gt; and &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;lyrical&lt;/span&gt; to sprinkle during introductions), and accidentally read the wrong book of Brian Falkner's: &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Real-Thing-Brian-Falkner/dp/140631238X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1224476973&amp;sr=8-2"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;The Real Thing&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, a nifty YA novel about a Coke-formula heist and a New Zealand teen with a fantastic sense of -- well, all perceptions, but taste is most important here.  International industrial espionage ensues.  I enjoyed it thoroughly, and admired the way that he'd used science without ever getting sciencey. Food chemistry? Experimental setups? Just facts of life. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It turned out he was coming along to talk about &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Tomorrow-Code-Brian-Falkner/dp/0375843647/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1224476973&amp;sr=8-1"&gt;The Tomorrow Code&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;, which has gamma rays and computers and mutant viruses.  Nothing wrong with that -- actually I think the book will make Brian's name in the US -- but I'd have been perfectly happy to talk about &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;The Real Thing&lt;/span&gt;, just as I'd have been happy to talk about the use of things scientific in "In Spring". The use of science in both of them is conversational, is part of the  mind of the person who wrote them, and I think this sort of thing gets lost in the rush to connect art and science.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The other thing that hit me in the course of meeting these writers -- only one of whom I'd met before -- was how large a subject "using science in literary arts" is.  Even if you're talking about the sort of writing that stares straight at science, there's tremendous variety in the use.  I'll post more about that after I get the video, since you'll be able to see how varied, even with only five writers, the flavors and intentions are, and how each of them is concrete about science.  Five totally different animals, their work.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Rick said something, before the panel began, about wanting to be deep in the lineup so that he could choose poems that would work conversationally -- that would respond to the other panelists' work.  I'll have to ask him why.  I can see the panelish trouble with having "science pieces" so different from each other that they don't seem to talk to each other at all, but it also seems to me that this is fine, so long as the &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;writers&lt;/span&gt; talk to each other.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Other new stuff: A &lt;a href="http://www.lablit.com/article/427"&gt;review&lt;/a&gt; of Tania Hershman's short-story collection &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/White-other-Stories-Modern-Fiction/dp/1844714756"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;The White Road&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.  The interview with Karl Iagnemma is coming soon.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/21553664-4650232299532994307?l=usrobots.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/feeds/4650232299532994307/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21553664&amp;postID=4650232299532994307' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/4650232299532994307'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/4650232299532994307'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2008/10/in-sumerian-charmingly.html' title='in Sumerian, charmingly'/><author><name>Amy Charles</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07001791173242631714</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21553664.post-2083220288372847498</id><published>2008-09-12T11:11:00.004-05:00</published><updated>2008-09-12T11:47:21.797-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Writing Science at the Writing University of Writers!</title><content type='html'>I'm not really supposed to make fun of the Pimp My Workshop theme the University of Iowa has going.  However. The conference is set for October 7-10, with the program link &lt;a href="http://writinguniversity.uiowa.edu/"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. I'm working on arrangements for a downloadable video podcast of the creative-writing panel. Fingers crossed also for a podcast of E. O. Wilson's talk on the 8th.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Argumentative?  Living in San Francisco, Chicago, New York, or London, and you've seen or are planning to see John Adams' opera &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Doctor Atomic&lt;/span&gt;? You can argue with me if you read my review &lt;a href="http://www.lablit.com/article/413"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  Shortly, meaning probably December, I'll also put up a review of Tania Hershman's sciency stories, which remind me of that Bjork video where an animated Bjork tears the chicken in half, and an interview with Karl Iagnemma, who isn't really a poultry-rending kind of guy.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/21553664-2083220288372847498?l=usrobots.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/feeds/2083220288372847498/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21553664&amp;postID=2083220288372847498' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/2083220288372847498'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/2083220288372847498'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2008/09/writing-science-at-writing-university.html' title='Writing Science at the Writing University of Writers!'/><author><name>Amy Charles</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07001791173242631714</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21553664.post-9193706485643048481</id><published>2008-08-19T16:00:00.009-05:00</published><updated>2008-08-19T18:32:44.158-05:00</updated><title type='text'>We Interrupt This Blog</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_tFbie-YU8t0/SKs6PbA9pzI/AAAAAAAAABs/LO0NFKhIE_4/s1600-h/IMG_1566.JPG"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_tFbie-YU8t0/SKs6PbA9pzI/AAAAAAAAABs/LO0NFKhIE_4/s400/IMG_1566.JPG" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5236343028372580146" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;to say it's my 40th birthday.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;All right.  Back to the Serious Blog.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/21553664-9193706485643048481?l=usrobots.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/feeds/9193706485643048481/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21553664&amp;postID=9193706485643048481' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/9193706485643048481'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/9193706485643048481'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2008/08/we-interrupt-this-blog.html' title='We Interrupt This Blog'/><author><name>Amy Charles</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07001791173242631714</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_tFbie-YU8t0/SKs6PbA9pzI/AAAAAAAAABs/LO0NFKhIE_4/s72-c/IMG_1566.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21553664.post-3224251339122296853</id><published>2008-08-08T15:39:00.014-05:00</published><updated>2008-09-12T13:19:24.436-05:00</updated><title type='text'>The difficulty of approaching it</title><content type='html'>Well, I never did get the cigarettes.  But I can announce the first science-in-creative-writing panel discussion at the University of Iowa, part of the much larger and pleasingly ragbag Writing Science conference, to be held Oct. 9-10 (unless it isn’t, because we’ve cleverly scheduled the conference to begin when Yom Kippur does).  Despite the fact that I’m neither a university employee nor a serious student, they’ve handed me the panel to run.  Here’s the lineup:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Novelist Karl Iagnemma, author of &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;On the Nature of Human Romantic Interactions&lt;/span&gt; and &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;The Expeditions&lt;/span&gt;, MacArthur nominee and winner of enough literary prizes to look like an affirmative-action entry from Engineering.  In his spare time, Karl’s the PI of the Robotic Mobility Group in MIT’s Mechanical Engineering department; his group works on robots for planetary exploration.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;Poet Richard Kenney, author of &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Orrery&lt;/span&gt; and &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;The Invention of the Zero&lt;/span&gt;, Guggenheim and MacArthur fellow, and winner of the Lannan and Yale Younger Poets’ prizes. Rick teaches at the University of Washington.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;Playwright Lisa Schlesinger, author of &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Celestial Bodies&lt;/span&gt;, &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Harmonicus Mundi&lt;/span&gt;, and others. She's won commissions from BBC and the Guthrie, a Sloan fellowship, an NEA fellowship, and other prizes.  Lisa teaches at Columbia College in Chicago.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;Essayist Amy Leach, who writes about Phobos and Eta Carinae, and whose work appears in the &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Wilson Quarterly&lt;/span&gt;, &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;A Public Space&lt;/span&gt;, and the &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Iowa Review&lt;/span&gt;.  She’s a graduate of Iowa’s Nonfiction Writing Program and teaches at Northwestern University.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;del&gt;Possibly&lt;/del&gt; Definitely New Zealand children’s science fiction writer Brian Falkner, author of &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;The Tomorrow Code&lt;/span&gt; and others, former comp sci student, and recipient of several prizes and awards.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;And me, not nearly as brass-ring-catching as the rest of this crew.  I'm working on a history of the Calvin group at Berkeley in the 1950s &amp; have an MFA in fiction from the Iowa Writers’ Workshop.  I put in some time doing spectrophotometry experiments with acetylcholinesterase, but in general should not be trusted in a lab.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What'll we talk about?  Most likely about craft and thematic issues that arise when we try to use science, and have scientist characters, in our work, such as:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;questions of audience and obscurity; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;the social and intellectual meaning and historical context of the science, and how they work with the rest of the story (or poem or essay); &lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;how right the science has to be and why; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;what kind of structures we use to put the science across and how they work; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;how far the artist is a science teacher, and how we avoid or use didacticism.&lt;/ul&gt;  &lt;br /&gt;I’ll be interested to hear how the concerns might be different across the different forms  -- for instance, how does a poet who normally trades in polysemy and the faces and angles of a word work with precisely-defined scientific language?  In a story in which a character is a scientist, how can you make a scientist’s work, and his relationship to it, real if you never see him at work?   How does one use science as a natural part of the world, without relegating it to scientists, labs, et cetera?  Where are the traps and clichés?  How do you handle theatrical drama without resorting to politics or scientist biography?  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One thing I plan to ask Karl about has to do with what stories there are to tell about the relationship of scientists to science. &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;The Expeditions&lt;/span&gt; took some hits from &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Nature&lt;/span&gt; reviewer Jenny Rohn, in part because she found it lite, without much science or compelling sense of science.  As I understand it, the book involves a boy with a crush-from-afar on science; he signs up for a surveying expedition, and on this first date finds that science scratches itself, wears grandma undies, and believes it’ll win the Powerball jackpot.  Disappointed, he abandons science.  I haven’t read the book yet, and it may turn out that I agree with Jenny, but I think this business of an unrealistic crush on science is a serious one. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I can imagine a story, very close to the boy’s consciousness, in which only his delusional perception of science comes through at first -- maybe he's got a starry, clean, energetic romanticism.  The boy finds his way to scientists, and the reader -- still very close to his consciousness -- gets his fascination and distaste for the surface of his heroes' habits and reasons.  The boy interprets them, as he must, with just enough understanding to come to very wrong conclusions. You'd never get much from the adults, who chose science and loved it, or were trapped enough, to stay. You might know that the adults and their stories exist, might even hear them in some muffled way the boy's too callow to notice or appreciate, but this wouldn't be the scientists' book. The book would tell the story of the boy’s fumbling and disappointment, and what he did about it.  That’d be a true story.  That might not be the story Karl wrote, of course, but it’d be a reasonable story involving science and scientists that didn't give the reader a good feel for doing science; in the end the reader wouldn’t know the life of science any more than the boy did.  What she'd know is the difficulty of approaching it.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/21553664-3224251339122296853?l=usrobots.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/feeds/3224251339122296853/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21553664&amp;postID=3224251339122296853' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/3224251339122296853'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/3224251339122296853'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2008/08/difficulty-of-approaching-it.html' title='The difficulty of approaching it'/><author><name>Amy Charles</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07001791173242631714</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21553664.post-6375631870011298561</id><published>2007-11-28T13:06:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2008-01-01T01:10:10.565-06:00</updated><title type='text'>Thirty White Horses</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp3.blogger.com/_tFbie-YU8t0/R03Fs2b9VHI/AAAAAAAAAA0/eGSE0h7uUjA/s1600-h/images.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://bp3.blogger.com/_tFbie-YU8t0/R03Fs2b9VHI/AAAAAAAAAA0/eGSE0h7uUjA/s200/images.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5137980124217300082" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As promised in the last post, here's a link to &lt;a href="http://litsci.org/slsa07/slsa07-501.pdf"&gt;"Thirty White Horses"&lt;/a&gt; (pdf).  When I went back to clean it up, the science seemed muted, which was fine with me.  The story's still got other problems, but I don't think "wheeling in Science" is one of them.  I've also got a &lt;a href="http://litsci.org/slsa07/slsa07-115.pdf"&gt;paper&lt;/a&gt; up about how (it seems to me) Richard Powers uses narrative structure to help get the science across &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Galatea 2.2&lt;/span&gt; and &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;The Gold Bug Variations&lt;/span&gt;.  I still don't think they're good novels, but they've got a  clever, pretty, operatic structure involving a tension between student and teacher that I haven't seen before, and it's a structure that I think could be useful to others.  It's also nice that Powers tried it in two books, one where the student's essentially a wide-eyed undergrad, and one where the student's a strung-out RA, so you can see the pros and cons of the variation.  Ordinarily I'm not a fan of academic fiction -- the settings become academic nowheres, tethered to nothing -- but it seems natural in Powers' books.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I missed &lt;a href="http://www.slsa07.com"&gt;SLSA '07&lt;/a&gt; thanks to childcare issues, but organizer &lt;a href="http://www.dartmouth.edu/~english/faculty/Evens.html"&gt;Aden Evens&lt;/a&gt; and panel chair &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/One-Culture-Conversation-about-Science/dp/product-description/0226467236"&gt;Jay Labinger&lt;/a&gt; were terrific and generous in making sure my work got presented. For next year, I'll see if the organizers will call in some &lt;a href="http://www.kiddiecorp.com"&gt;conference childcare&lt;/a&gt;.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm working on something to do with popular science illustration, but first I've got to get a 6th-grade social studies book out of the way.  Who knew 11-year-olds needed to learn about trade barriers?  I guess now they do.  I hope the books come with a good world map, too.  Meantime, enjoy the beautiful &lt;a href="http://research.unc.edu/endeavors/win2007/images/eColi.jpg"&gt;E. coli by David Goodsell&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/21553664-6375631870011298561?l=usrobots.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/feeds/6375631870011298561/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21553664&amp;postID=6375631870011298561' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/6375631870011298561'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/6375631870011298561'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2007/11/thirty-white-horses.html' title='Thirty White Horses'/><author><name>Amy Charles</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07001791173242631714</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://bp3.blogger.com/_tFbie-YU8t0/R03Fs2b9VHI/AAAAAAAAAA0/eGSE0h7uUjA/s72-c/images.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21553664.post-1491682157101000367</id><published>2007-07-28T22:58:00.001-05:00</published><updated>2009-04-25T16:14:51.702-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Idling speculation</title><content type='html'>When I started this blog I was looking for ways to use science in literary fiction that didn't involve wheeling in Science, stopping the action to point at Science, and wheeling it off again.  Or, worse, stopping the action to point at Science and then build some literary metaphor around it before wheeling it off.  I wanted to use science the way it seems to me to exist in the world -- as an influential, incoherent, anonymous authority, one that has vivid images and partial flashes of explanation but no compelling story.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My first shot at this, "Thirty White Horses", showed me how easy it is to go wrong and veer off into SF or speculative fiction.  The story takes place in a world where rapid population growth led to violence over gravesite scarcity; the political solution was to sell a mechanistic view of life. "Peace for the living," was the phrase.  People soon corrupted this into a spiritual-mayfly view of ever-changing life and a sentimental, rather breathless idea of death as profound cleanliness.  Nice people don't stop for it.  The protagonist is a sixtyish woman who has an unreformed sense of life and death.  The story begins with the death of her ex-husband, and she finds there's no longer any way to mourn him in a way she knows as meaningful, except in secret.  Young people don't know how to mourn, and old people know better.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's a failure because as soon I got interested in the science and the what-if, the story turned into into speculative fiction, which feels to me like a cheat.  "Imagine a world that's like _______!"  Except the world isn't like that, and there's already a perfectly interesting world with more complexity and sharp story than you're likely to come up with on your own.  The only non-hard-SF "speculative world" stories I can think of that I've really liked turn out not to be speculative at all: &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;1984&lt;/span&gt;, for instance. Victory stew, still a reality in 1988, and I know because I ate some in East Berlin.  (Without benefit of Victory gin.)  &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;The other problem, of course, is that you're staring at the science.  I tried steering away from that by focusing on the politics, and framing the social change in news reports and through the lenses of a sixth-grade history text and the woman's memory.  I also wrote, and then took out, a chunk of science documentary that made the mechanistic view lively and appealing.  But even without overt science infodumps, it seems artificial, too model-building.  And I suppose that's because it isn't personal enough.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So how did this happen?  I'm guessing the problem was right there at the start: asking myself how people could live with an idea of life as machine process, and then failing to notice how people already do this.  For instance, in being willing to go to the hospital for transplants.  Instead I took an easier route and built a future world.  Which I completely enjoyed doing, but there's more to mine in real relationships, I think.  Obviously there's a thinness in fake worlds.  But since the story is essentially about a woman who has no licit way to mourn her ex-husband, the real story becomes the way history has left her behind and turned her into a symbol of something socially despised -- the old way of looking at death.  While she's not at all responsible for that old-fashioned notion of burials and mourning, it really does animate her, and she genuinely doesn't understand the shift in attitudes.  And that part's not new or fake at all; that happens every time an important social reality changes.  There are always people left behind.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think this is what bothers me so much in speculative fiction or sociological SF.  You get a very dense social reality grafted to an exceedingly thin historical reality, and the effect is twee or odd.  The density of the social reality -- in this case, the problem of living as a pariah -- demands an historical reality as rich and real, I think.    &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm looking for a way to post the story conveniently.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/21553664-1491682157101000367?l=usrobots.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/feeds/1491682157101000367/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21553664&amp;postID=1491682157101000367' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/1491682157101000367'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/1491682157101000367'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2007/07/when-i-started-this-blog-i-was-looking.html' title='Idling speculation'/><author><name>Amy Charles</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07001791173242631714</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21553664.post-1873659946770250756</id><published>2006-12-30T18:43:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2006-12-31T02:12:50.896-06:00</updated><title type='text'>Fecundity out of repression</title><content type='html'>The title is from a thoroughly enjoyable essay by chemists Roald Hoffmann and Pierre Laszlo on scientific conversations:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Here is a question we believe probably one should not ask, especially a young scientist should not ask in a scientific conversation: "Do you understand?" On the face of it, what could be more honest and straightforward? The speaker, who may have just presented a difficult concept, or spoken too quickly, has sensed a nonverbal response on the part of his audience/ listener, and is stating that he or she is willing to explain things again. But the question, unless asked in just the right tone, and between people of equal status or confidence, may be just as problematic as the question "Do you love me?" If it has to be asked, it may be too late.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-"The Say of Things," Hoffmann and Laszlo, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Social Research&lt;/span&gt;, Fall 1998&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;I had an interesting question put to me recently about how scientific and literary narratives differ. Since I'm unnecessarily literal and have never written scientific narrative,  I went to the library and read some core works in the rhetoric of science.  For those in the know, or whose idea of fun needs fine-tuning, that'd be rhetoricians of science like Charles Bazerman, Alan Gross, and Greg Myers, plus a couple of sociologists:  Steven Shapin, Bruno Latour.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The reading suggests something interesting,  I think, about why science doesn't show up more as an everyday part of conversation in literary fiction.  All the writers focus on how scientific journal articles are argumentative, and the writers with a more historical bent look at why and how scientific journal writing developed that way.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The evolution, as these writers tell it, has 17th-c. natural philosophers beginning to argue in print with each others'  remarks and suppositions about how nature works, and retreating to increasingly careful and precisely-described experiments to support their claims.  Personality recedes in favor of experiment.  After a few decades, the scientists leave the pedestrian world of "x works like y," the claims grow broader about the relationships between things in the natural world, and the experiments are designed to support these large statements.  The arguments get fiercer, narrower, the scientists' "I" recedes far, far into the background; forms get more rigid, the audiences get more sharply defined.  We land in the world of the zillion-endnotes &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Journal of Scientific Subfield&lt;/span&gt; article with heavy combat among referees, editors, and scientists on everything from punctuation to the permissable breadth of claims, given the scientists' place in scientific society.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sounds like a reasonable enough progression to me, given a mechanistic conception of the universe.  If you presume things work in some orderly, objectively explainable fashion, and you say, "It goes like____," someone else will likely argue, and you're off to the races.  There can be no legitimate retreat from argument into subjectivity, no fuzzy "This is how &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;I&lt;/span&gt; see it," (followed by jumble of half-baked historical references capped with assertion of the artist's absolute right to call it as he feels it).  Which is what happens,  I think, in worldview arguments in fiction.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So assume that's really how scientific narrative goes.  Why, then, would such narratives be amenable to use in fiction?  It seems to me that fiction deals mostly with public conversations that are not tightly constructed.  What do you owe your mother?  Who is a stranger?  How is it possible to live with other people?  Is there any such thing as a person?  Loose ends, hardly anything but loose ends.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If the scientific story says, "X is true, supported by y, z, 3," then I wonder what the novel can do with it.  (Particularly since the novelist is not placed to argue with this scientific statement.)  The novel can blink and keep walking, which is, I think, what happens most of the time.  Or it can say, "Oh, well, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;if&lt;/span&gt; X is true, then the social implications might be ______," which lands you in the realm of speculative fiction.  Or -- if it is a more literary novel -- it can lift some aesthetically striking or resonant part of X, ignore the science, and attach social or psychological meanings to the scavenged bit -- the strange horrors of being subject to clocks, for instance.  But in none of these is there really conversation between science and the novel.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm thinking also of scientific images that end up in mass media, which is where fiction writers generally see them.  If scientific images are originally framed for use in argument, I bet it's unlikely the scientists doing external PR try to tear them down and reframe them for other kinds of conversation -- literary conversation, or loose public conversation.  I would guess they try instead to repackage the images in either simplified-educational form or art-photo form -- consider &lt;a href="http://web.mit.edu/felicef/"&gt;Felice Frankel's&lt;/a&gt; work.    Something that will sell, something that will be recognizeable as science.  If this is how it goes, I see no reason to expect that the arguments and conversations implicit in the images -- however strange or beautiful -- would engage well with the world outside professional science's formal combat.  Which may be why these images seem so curiously mute, and why they're so difficult to use in stories.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;All of this brings me back to Hoffmann and Laszlo's essay, which is about  kinds of conversations that go on in chemistry.  They are impatient with the dispassionate journal essay, and describe with delight scientific conversations they've known as working chemists -- conversations with nature, conversations with students, conversations with other chemists.  At the end they write:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Thinking about real value, if conversation is compensatory of repression—more open just because the written product of scientific work is so constrained—could it be that much more real discovery and creation takes place in conversations? We think so! It is the first place where one expresses understanding outside of the private confines of one's mind. The research group presentation is probably next, the writing of the paper the last, very important, place. The conversation—with a colleague, student to student—is where the ideas get expressed. And until they are expressed, in some way they are not real. The conversation reifies the idea; it selects in the mind of the researcher one possibility of many, it is the first &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;existential&lt;/span&gt; act in science.&lt;/blockquote&gt;If these ideas are not already handmaiden to scientific argument -- if they aren't already constrained in the way of the journal article -- then maybe this is a place where novelists should talk with scientists.  Maybe this would be more fecund than the novelist's seeing the carefully-produced images in the Tuesday &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;New York Times&lt;/span&gt;.  I wonder how that would be, and what sort of conversation might be possible.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/21553664-1873659946770250756?l=usrobots.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/feeds/1873659946770250756/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21553664&amp;postID=1873659946770250756' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/1873659946770250756'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/1873659946770250756'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2006/12/fecundity-out-of-repression.html' title='Fecundity out of repression'/><author><name>Amy Charles</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07001791173242631714</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21553664.post-115852413460954541</id><published>2006-09-17T14:01:00.002-05:00</published><updated>2011-12-02T01:23:05.901-06:00</updated><title type='text'>The objective is fertile procedure.  Is it not?</title><content type='html'>That's from Donald Hall's interview with Marianne Moore in the Paris Review, 1960.  (Hall made much of her Nixon button.)  She's talking about the similarities between poets and scientists:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Do the poet and scientist not work analogously?  Both are willing to waste effort.  To be hard on himself is one of the main strengths of each.  Each is attentive to clues, each must narrow the choice, must strive for precision.  As George Grosz says, 'In art there is no place for gossip and but a small place for the satirist.'  The objective is fertile procedure.  Is it not?  Jacob Bronowski says in the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Saturday Evening Post&lt;/span&gt; that science is not a mere collection of discoveries, but that science is the process of discovering.  In any case it's not established once and for all; it's evolving.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm thinking about 'fertile procedure' after reading Richard Powers' &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Galatea 2.2&lt;/span&gt;.  I'll confess that while I like the book as an experiment, and get the impression that he's a remarkably civilized thinker, I don't think it does well as either a novel or an explication of the science to the uninitiated.  I won't include spoilers here, but will say generally that there's a literary backstory (incl. character depth, literary musing, rich setting, believably complex emotional lives, even if it's got the liability of a feckless writer character at its heart) that's thematically connected to the SF story dealing with arguments in artificial intelligence.  The SF story it's grafted to has markedly flatter character and motivation, and I don't believe that the ideas chewed over are genuinely moving anyone besides the author/protagonist.  But.  According to Daniel Dennett, he's made tremendously good metaphors for the AI concepts, and returned useful questions and images to scientists.  It's also slow.  While the science work described is feverish, the book itself is slow, irritatingly slow sometimes, and reflective. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Which puts me in mind of some early-midcentury European novels, except that instead of the ideas and romances being grafted to political stories involving cartoon Communists, there's cartoon SF types.  And all of a sudden I think I've been on the wrong track with this book.  I'll come back to that, but the question I'll stop with is about who a novel like this is for.  If the metaphors surrounding AI are too poeticized-fuzzy, in the novel, to give a clear sense of the arguments &amp;amp; mechanisms to the uninitiated -- and I think in general they are, in Galatea -- is it mainly for scientists, people in the field?  I don't mean the question in the accusatory "you write only for the elite, you hate the common people!" Marxist-listmaker vein, but it hadn't occurred to me before that there might be literary fictions aimed mainly at scientists in the field.  It seems to me a bit cramped, but maybe that's wrong and it's actually extremely useful, a narrow hall opening onto a vast expanse.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/21553664-115852413460954541?l=usrobots.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/feeds/115852413460954541/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21553664&amp;postID=115852413460954541' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/115852413460954541'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/115852413460954541'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2006/09/objective-is-fertile-procedure-is-it.html' title='The objective is fertile procedure.  Is it not?'/><author><name>Amy Charles</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07001791173242631714</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21553664.post-115653022736934972</id><published>2006-08-25T12:20:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-08-25T13:36:42.546-05:00</updated><title type='text'>metafer</title><content type='html'>Yes, I know, it's 'metaphor', but after listening to Joseph Campbell talking for hours about metafers -- abstracted Jennifers, I'm sure -- that circuit's fried. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anyway.  I've been thinking about science metaphors and the agonies over poetic writers retailing bad metaphors.  By 'bad' I mean scientifically inaccurate.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It seems to me there are at least two kinds of science metaphors, though, that we're talking about.  One is the sort of metaphor that helps a scientist explain their work; for instance, nanotech people have conferences with illustrators so they can generate visual metaphors for the work.  Something people can understand.  So this is metaphor that's about what's happening in the lab.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But I think there is another kind of metaphor, one that's rather looser about the science, and it's to do with how science filters through in ordinary lives, in the way that Roberta experiences it, say.  Updike did something memorable with it in &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Rabbit Redux&lt;/span&gt;, I think, where the elder Mrs. Angstrom is on L-dopa for Parkinson's, and there's a long dank frightening section involving the plumbing in her mind, and backed-up sewers.  I'll find and quote it.  I suppose you could call it the subjective experience of science as it's lived.  If you wanted to be particularly boring about it.  I think Updike did better, though, in creating an iconic turn-you-to-stone image in &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0141188960/sr=1-48/qid=1156527519/ref=sr_1_48/002-7660170-3928008?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books"&gt;Toward the End of Time&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt; : the half-built international space station, a ghostly, unshakable moon in the daytime sky, abandoned as war broke out, and those aboard left to die.  A permanent reminder of Not Finishing and the cruelty. Let me see if I can find Updike's description, which is no doubt better: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;...If the first occupies, like the sun, a half-degree of the celestial hemisphere's 180 degrees, this second is no wider than a sixth of a degree.  It has a honeycomb appearance, with a pair of scarcely visible appendages, stubby dragonfly wings.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This moon was man-made -- a space station set in orbit three thousand miles above the Earth, one-hundredth of the first moon's distance, by men before the Sino-Aerican Conflict dissolved the governments able to maintain the shuttle ships.  Earth abandoned its satellite, and the colonists marooned there survived for a time amid their tons of provisions and their solar-powered greenhouses.  Then, as the world watched in horror the television broadcasts that were maintained with the generators' last volts of energy, the space-dwellers one by one died.  This episode, beocme mythic, has inspired any number of bathetic retellings in the popular media, even if all of us who dwell on Earth are in a position exactly the same, if on a larger scale.  Indeed, it is not impossible that the colony, in its giant honeycomb of hollow struts and exquisitely stretched sheets of insulating foil, still holds a few live crewpersons, surviving on protein tablets.... &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That's richer, anyway.  I do think it's time for "watched in horror" to go away.  I just used that in a mawkish lead-in to a piece on Feynman's Challenger O-ring demo, a piece on summarizing for a 9th-grade textbook.  Funny thing, the K-12 ed biz, picking someone like me to teach summarizing.  Illustrative of the problems, I'd say.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anyway.  It's nice, isn't it, that space station.  Nothing new about ghost ships, but they're a little 17th-c, and lose meaning.  Especially when they're not hanging in the sky every day.  In this one you get the colonizing-space excitement, and the technical prowess, and their daily lived reality, while below the ordinary, dirty old Updike protag crunches around in his frozen Boston suburb, conscious of his age and the sense of having seen plenty, and not primarily concerned with outer space.     &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So what have scientists to do with all that?  Well, I don't know.  It seems to me there ought to be at least some looking back from good fictional science-as-it's-lived (SAIL) metaphor to fresh-from-the-lab (FFTL) metaphor.  And some conversation between them.  I bet there's some pretty good dissonance there, routinely.  How would that be useful?  Good question.  Not sure yet.  But it does seem to me that if the SAIL metaphor is going to be coherent and incisive – because one way or the other, I think, it’s going to be a critique, or fodder for critique -- it ought to envelop a crisp understanding of the FFTL metaphor and anything that’s crucial to understanding the science.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="fullpost"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/21553664-115653022736934972?l=usrobots.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/feeds/115653022736934972/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21553664&amp;postID=115653022736934972' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/115653022736934972'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/115653022736934972'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2006/08/metafer.html' title='metafer'/><author><name>Amy Charles</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07001791173242631714</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21553664.post-114929562339678863</id><published>2006-06-02T19:11:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-06-02T20:08:27.243-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Land ho!  Get your pants on.</title><content type='html'>You know, I don't like the obligatory blogger "sorry I'm late" handwringing.  It'll likely go on for a while, though, since my husband's disability checks may stop abruptly next month, and I have no intention of putting our 2-year-old in fulltime daycare.  The more I look at it, the less reasonable it looks to put a kid in institutional care for ten hours a day until the child's at least eight or nine. (Or  78.  I don't want to be in institutional care either.)  Eating's a nice hobby, though, so I may be busy selling our house in a few weeks, and finding us cheap digs.  I've also got book proposal deadlines coming up, so expect the sporadic posting to continue.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I've been thinking that, as much as I enjoy the straight pop-science reading, it's leading me away from questions about how bits of scientific thought and assumptions permeate our ordinary consciousness.  How people live with science day-to-day, misinterpreting what they've heard, having headlines lodged in their sense of how the world works, knitting mechanistic implications of medicine to bits of theology and philosophy and women's magazines, that kind of thing.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So I'm thinking it's time to talk with nonscientists who deal with large numbers of people and science.  Politicians (think constituents' reactions to environmental/NIMBY projects, like power generating station near houses and water pollution), hospital chaplains (think patients trying to figure out why they're sick and what it means), psychiatrists (how do patients work out the relationships between brain and self?), dietitians (why do people believe they're fat?), teachers (how are their administrators looking at evolution and why?).  People in that kind of position.  I've got some chats arranged with a chaplain and a psychiatrist, and I'll let you know what they have to say.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm also thinking it'd be good to talk with some SF writers about the questions around which their own stories revolve.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I've been on a &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Malamud"&gt;Malamud&lt;/a&gt; kick recently, and it strikes me that the book I'm reading now -- &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0140184910/103-7303896-4199006?v=glance&amp;n=283155"&gt;God's Grace&lt;/a&gt; -- involves the kind of consciousness of science in literary fiction that I've been talking about.  The book begins with a nuclear holocaust and an almost-hapless survivor, paleologist Calvin Cohn, who was doing research at the bottom of the ocean when the bombs went off.  Surfacing &amp; climbing back onto his boat, he found himself the only survivor.  This was verified by God, who apologized for the error &amp; assured Cohn his time was up too.  And then, for whatever His reasons, dragged His feet about knocking off Cohn.  Cohn found he wasn't quite alone; there was an intelligent, proselytizing Christian lab chimp on his boat, and that's all the spoilers I'll give.  But it's a literate book, and the focus does not appear to be on the science gear, important as it is to the story.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/21553664-114929562339678863?l=usrobots.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/feeds/114929562339678863/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21553664&amp;postID=114929562339678863' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/114929562339678863'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/114929562339678863'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2006/06/land-ho-get-your-pants-on.html' title='Land ho!  Get your pants on.'/><author><name>Amy Charles</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07001791173242631714</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21553664.post-114720376660738943</id><published>2006-05-09T14:08:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-05-14T16:49:33.756-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Science fiction means what we point to when we say it</title><content type='html'>What's literary fiction?  What's &lt;a href="http://www.panix.com/~gokce/sf_defn.html"&gt;science fiction&lt;/a&gt;?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My father's been reading Alan Lightman's &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Einstein's Dreams&lt;/span&gt;, and tells me he found Einstein's apparent lack of filter, lack of  ordinary sense of the reasonableness of ideas, very interesting.  He said he thought every high school student should read it, if only to see the value of being so free, mentally, from ordinary constraints.  When I think of Lightman, I think mostly of his book &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Origins&lt;/span&gt;, which I enjoyed very much, and of attending a small, awkward reading of &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Good Benito&lt;/span&gt;.  I'd been surprised at the reading; the quality of the prose didn't seem to me very good, didn't seem to me to reflect the man's intelligence or subtlety of mind, which I think are easy to see in his nonfiction.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My father thought I was being a pain in the ass.  He told me to get past the quality of the prose and look at the ideas, which is something I've been doing lately in reading recommended SF.  It occurred to me that most of the conversation I've heard praising SF has indeed been about the ideas, often complex and powerful ideas, and often with a sense of clarity and cool interrogation that makes me think &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;hypothesis&lt;/span&gt;.  Poetry, a literate, sustained, fine-art sense of language and what it can do, doesn't seem to be a requisite part of the show, and I think it is very much in what I think of as literary.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are enough disgruntled blog discussions of "what is literary" that I suspect it hasn't got a long life ahead of it as a genre.  (See &lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=24104266&amp;postID=114319042517714501"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://babiesarefireproof.blogspot.com/2006/04/write-privilige.html#comments"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, for example.)  The question "what is art", though, attracts the same sense of frustration and annoyance, and I don't think it's going away.  Wikipedia's &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literary_merit"&gt;prudent entry&lt;/a&gt; points out that the definition of "literary merit" is important legally, but otherwise doesn't want to get involved.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I wonder if the relative importance of ideas and poetry are real differences between literary and SF, and a reason why there's this low-grade antagonism.  I wonder if champions of each are simply blind to what the others see as valuable.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/21553664-114720376660738943?l=usrobots.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/feeds/114720376660738943/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21553664&amp;postID=114720376660738943' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/114720376660738943'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/114720376660738943'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2006/05/science-fiction-means-what-we-point-to.html' title='Science fiction means what we point to when we say it'/><author><name>Amy Charles</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07001791173242631714</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21553664.post-114634003827324263</id><published>2006-04-29T14:44:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-12-14T11:03:44.853-06:00</updated><title type='text'>an actual sign</title><content type='html'>The Koch poem:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One Train May Hide Another&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;(sign at a railroad crossing in Kenya)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In a poem, one line may hide another line,&lt;br /&gt;As at a crossing, one train may hide another train.&lt;br /&gt;That is, if you are waiting to cross&lt;br /&gt;The tracks, wait to do it for one moment at&lt;br /&gt;Least after the first train is gone.  And so when you read&lt;br /&gt;Wait until you have read the next line --&lt;br /&gt;Then it is safe to go on reading.&lt;br /&gt;In a family one sister may conceal another,&lt;br /&gt;So, when you are courting, it's best to have them all in view&lt;br /&gt;Otherwise in coming to find one you may love another.&lt;span class="fullpost"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One father or one brother may hide the man,&lt;br /&gt;If you are a woman, whom you have been waiting to love.&lt;br /&gt;So always standing in front of something the other&lt;br /&gt;As words stand in front of objects, feelings, and ideas.&lt;br /&gt;One wish may hide another.  And one person's reputation may hide&lt;br /&gt;The reputation of another.  One dog may conceal another&lt;br /&gt;On a lawn, so if you escape the first one you're not necessarily safe;&lt;br /&gt;One lilac may hide another and then a lot of lilacs and on the Appia Antica one tomb&lt;br /&gt;May hide a number of other tombs.  In love, one reproach may hide another,&lt;br /&gt;One small complaint may hide a great one.&lt;br /&gt;One injustice may hide another -- one Colonial may hide another,&lt;br /&gt;One blaring red uniform another, and another, a whole column.  One bath may hide another bath&lt;br /&gt;As when, after bathing, one walks out into the rain&lt;br /&gt;One idea may hide another: Life is simple&lt;br /&gt;Hide Life is incredibly complex, as in the prose of Gertrude Stein&lt;br /&gt;One sentence hides another and is another as well.  And in the laboratory &lt;br /&gt;One invention may hide another invention,&lt;br /&gt;One evening may hide another, one shadow, a nest of shadows,&lt;br /&gt;One dark red, or one blue, or one purple -- this is a painting&lt;br /&gt;By someone after Matisse.  One waits at the tracks until they pass,&lt;br /&gt;These hidden doubles or, sometimes, likenesses.  One identical twin&lt;br /&gt;May hide the other.  And there may be even more in there!  The obstetrician&lt;br /&gt;Gazes at the Valley of the Var.  We used to live there, my wife and I, but&lt;br /&gt;One life hid another life.  And now she is gone and I am here. &lt;br /&gt;A vivacious mother hides a gawky daughter.  The daughter hides&lt;br /&gt;Her own vivacious daughter in turn.  They are in&lt;br /&gt;A railway station and the daughter is holding a bag&lt;br /&gt;Bigger than her mother's bag and successfully hides it.&lt;br /&gt;In offering to pick up the daughter's bag one finds oneself confronted by the mother's&lt;br /&gt;And has to carry that one, too.  So one hitchhiker&lt;br /&gt;May deliberately hide another and one cup of coffee&lt;br /&gt;Another, too, until one is over-excited.  One love may hide another love or the same love&lt;br /&gt;As when "I love you" suddenly rings false and one discovers &lt;br /&gt;The better love lingering behind, as when "I'm full of doubts"&lt;br /&gt;Hides "I'm certain about something and it is that"&lt;br /&gt;And one dream may hide another as is well known, always, too.  In the garden of Eden&lt;br /&gt;Adam and Eve may hide the real Adam and Eve.&lt;br /&gt;Jerusalem may hide another Jerusalem.&lt;br /&gt;When you come to something, stop to let it pass&lt;br /&gt;So you can see what else is there.  At home, no matter where,&lt;br /&gt;Internal tracks pose dangers, too; one memory &lt;br /&gt;Certainly hides another, that being what memory is all about,&lt;br /&gt;The eternal reverse succession of contemplated entities.  Reading &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;A Sentimental Journey&lt;/span&gt; look around &lt;br /&gt;When you have finished, for &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Tristram Shandy&lt;/span&gt;, to see&lt;br /&gt;If it is standing there, it should be, stronger&lt;br /&gt;And more profound and theretofore hidden as Santa Maria Maggiore&lt;br /&gt;May be hidden by similar churches inside Rome.  One sidewalk&lt;br /&gt;May hide another, as when you're asleep there, and &lt;br /&gt;One song hide another song: for example "Stardust"&lt;br /&gt;Hide "What Have They Done to the Rain?" Or vice versa.  A pounding upstairs&lt;br /&gt;Hide the beating of drums.  One friend may hide another, you sit at the foot of a tree&lt;br /&gt;With one and when you get up to leave there is another&lt;br /&gt;Whom you'd have preferred to talk with all along.  One teacher,&lt;br /&gt;One doctor, one ecstasy, one illness, one woman, one man&lt;br /&gt;May hide another.  Pause to let the first one pass.&lt;br /&gt;You think, Now it is safe to cross and you are hit by the next one.&lt;br /&gt;    It can be important&lt;br /&gt;To have waited at least a moment to see what was already there.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/21553664-114634003827324263?l=usrobots.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/feeds/114634003827324263/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21553664&amp;postID=114634003827324263' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/114634003827324263'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/114634003827324263'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2006/04/actual-sign.html' title='an actual sign'/><author><name>Amy Charles</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07001791173242631714</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21553664.post-114626071937527596</id><published>2006-04-28T16:07:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-04-28T21:46:26.540-05:00</updated><title type='text'>the working skeleton of all our thought</title><content type='html'>Here is Searle on science v. art and social sciences, and you can see immediately why this kind of thing makes Midgley crazy.  He's talking about how tough it is to explain minds in a physical universe, and this comes under "Psychological and Social Explanation":&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;One of the most disappointing features of the intellectual history of the last hundred years was the failure of the social sciences to achieve the rich explanatory power characteristic of the physical and biological sciences.  In sociology, or even economics, we do not have the kind of established knowledge structures that we have in physics and chemistry.  Why not? Why have the methods of the natural sciences not had the kind of payoff in the study of human behavior and human social relations that they have had in the physical sciences?&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I say "science v. art" because there's no mention of art as richly, powerfully explanatory of human behavior and society.  Nor do I see any mention of art (of any kind) or artists in the index.  Searle might recognize this use of art in his other writings; I don't know.  But I'll point out that the last hundred years saw the rise of a new kind of novel, the psychological drama, which is centered in the protagonist's minutely rendered consciousness and has crowded out nearly every other kind of story (to the exhaustion and irritation of many).  The yield of modern archetypes includes Rabbit Angstrom, Stephen Daedalus, Yossarian, Holden Caulfield, among many others.  A fictional archetype is a human model, widely recognized as true.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;While novels aren't explanatory in the sense that you can nab a random passenger off the subway and use Holden Caulfield to explain how she'll behave, they do show, psychologically, how these types come to be in a mess, what the mess means, how they try to get out, and what &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; means. Psychologically, socially, philosophically, -ally.  While allowing other, unwritten meanings.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anyway.  I think Midgley's cane-thumping reply to Searle's question would be that we already have impressive knowledge structures in nonphysical science, usually derided as folk wisdom.  Here she is on that:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Consciousness is not something rare and exotic found only in experimental subjects or in scientific observers.  Nor does it only show us a few special phenomena such as colours and dreams and hallucinations.  It is not primarily an observation-station.  It is the crowded scene of our daily lives.  And the main dramas going on in it do not concern just observation or perception but quite complex, dynamic currents of feeling and efforts to act.  If we mean to do justice to this complexity, we have to take seriously the rich, well-organised language which we use about it every day.  That language does not just express an amateur 'folk-psychology'.  It is the indispensable working skeleton of all our thought -- including, of course, our thought about science.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-p. 85, &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Science and Poetry&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think she'd also point out that in the last hundred years the social sciences have been deformed by the political power of modern physical sciences, with social scientists trying to do away with any smell of subjectivity.  Often grotesquely.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One more shock in this Searle book, so far:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The underlying impulse of functionalism was to answer the question, Why do we attribute mental states [like pain, or the conviction that Denver is the capital of Colorado] to people at all?  And the answer was, we say they have such things as beliefs and desires because we want to explain their behavior.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Which is not, to my mind, a usual answer in art.  There are questions about behavior in art, yes, but there are also questions of experience.  What it feels like to be human, what it might be like for someone else (and through that, ourselves), or for ourselves in another life.  I don't know whether Searle is being fair here to functionalists.  If he is, I'd say it's a good reason for artists to go have lunch with philosophers.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/21553664-114626071937527596?l=usrobots.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/feeds/114626071937527596/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21553664&amp;postID=114626071937527596' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/114626071937527596'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/114626071937527596'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2006/04/working-skeleton-of-all-our-thought.html' title='the working skeleton of all our thought'/><author><name>Amy Charles</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07001791173242631714</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21553664.post-114609912869381420</id><published>2006-04-26T18:44:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-04-26T19:53:17.046-05:00</updated><title type='text'>as at a crossing,  one train may hide another train</title><content type='html'>I'm very slowly pulling together some campus talk here at the University of Iowa on science, art, and literary fiction, which is part of why I'd started this blog.  I wanted a space for hashing out related ideas with other people and looking for ways of having fruitful conversations among artists and scientists, and I hoped it'd change my mind about how to host real-life conversations.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think that's happening -- I think this is softening me up.  Originally I'd had a teacherish eat-your-veg view, where the lack of talk between scientists and artists disturbed me, and I wanted to sort of mash the two groups together.  (The fascist preschooler in me is very hardy.)  But thanks to conversations like &lt;a href="http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2006/04/all-little-hatchets-that-came-up.html"&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; one, and articles on other two-cultures sites like &lt;a href="http://www.lablit.com"&gt;Lablit&lt;/a&gt;, I'm starting to suspect we're better off if the artists who show up are already genuinely interested in science, scientists, the culture of science.  Which shows I'm slow, but this is not new.  Anyway, thanks to commenters.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I've started reading John Searle's &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0195157338/103-7303896-4199006?v=glance&amp;n=283155"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Mind&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; and it's made me suspicious of some of my favorite childhood thoughts. I spent most of fourth grade, which was less than engaging, studying my hands, peeling Elmer's glue off them, and wondering how it was I could move them just by wanting to.  Searle raises that question in his introduction (minus glue) and points out that it assumes a distinct mind and body, and I see that at nine I assumed mind and body were separate.  I don't anymore, so I have a feeling I'll sit by while he dismantles something I've got no stake in, but I'm curious to see what he's got to say about materialism and what he calls "emergentism as it is standardly conceived."  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My daughter sounds like she's wrecking my bed as it is standardly conceived, so that's it for now.  The poem is Kenneth Koch's "One Train May Hide Another"; I'll quote it later.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/21553664-114609912869381420?l=usrobots.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/feeds/114609912869381420/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21553664&amp;postID=114609912869381420' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/114609912869381420'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/114609912869381420'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2006/04/as-at-crossing-one-train-may-hide.html' title='as at a crossing,  one train may hide another train'/><author><name>Amy Charles</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07001791173242631714</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21553664.post-114582829159369335</id><published>2006-04-23T16:37:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-04-25T13:48:25.380-05:00</updated><title type='text'>she will be bound with garlands of her own</title><content type='html'>Lablit.com editor Jennifer Rohn, writing about a science/art project at CERN, says:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Physicist Rolf] Landua is a firm believer in the power of art to help science, namely when it serves as PR.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Which says to me the project is bound to disappoint, and at best be wildly inefficient.  We've had a &lt;a href="http://forums.lablit.com/viewtopic.php?t=115"&gt;conversation&lt;/a&gt; recently on lablit about the expectation that young scientists must produce, chop-chop, or leave the bench, and why young writers aren't treated the same way.  Neurograd wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Correct me if I'm wrong, but writing students pay their own tuition for the most part, right? So, if someone is willing to shell out the $150k for a writing degree, I would say that's their prerogative, and if they want/need to take longer to finish that degree, then so be it. But if I were a professor, department, or funding agency and I were paying for a student's tuition (plus a stipend to boot), I would expect that a reasonable level of productivity should be maintained. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Add that sense of responsibility to funding to a sense that people will be much friendlier to science if only they understand it, and I think there's a slow train wreck waiting to happen in any such sci/art programs.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don't know that the scientists involved understand this is not work with reliable freelancers, people who get a contract and feel obliged to turn out a certain kind of product.  That there's no knowing what an artist might do with exposure to science that's meant to enlighten them and turn them into champions.  Yes, you might get something useful as PR out of it, though if it's any good it's unlikely it'll be useful PR for anything.  It might also be entirely irrelevant to CERN or whatever other agency is involved; it might be openly hostile to the agency's projects; it might deeply misinterpret the work.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think these projects are best off involving artists already seriously interested in science and philosophy of science.  Even then, PR, no, the work's not likely to be PR.  A helpful complication, maybe. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The poem is Keats' "On the Sonnet":&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;If by dull rhymes our English must be chain'd,&lt;br /&gt;  And, like Andromeda, the Sonnet sweet&lt;br /&gt;Fetter'd, in spite of pained loveliness;&lt;br /&gt;Let us find out, if we must be constrain'd,&lt;br /&gt;  Sandals more interwoven and complete&lt;br /&gt;To fit the naked foot of poesy;&lt;br /&gt;Let us inspect the lyre, and weigh the stress&lt;br /&gt;Of every chord, and see what may be gain'd&lt;br /&gt;  By ear industrious, and attention meet;&lt;br /&gt;Misers of sound and syllable, no less&lt;br /&gt;Than Midas of his coinage, let us be&lt;br /&gt;  Jealous of dead leaves in the bay-wreath crown;&lt;br /&gt;So, if we may not let the Muse be free,&lt;br /&gt;  She will be bound with garlands of her own.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/21553664-114582829159369335?l=usrobots.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/feeds/114582829159369335/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21553664&amp;postID=114582829159369335' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/114582829159369335'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/114582829159369335'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2006/04/she-will-be-bound-with-gar_114582829159369335.html' title='she will be bound with garlands of her own'/><author><name>Amy Charles</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07001791173242631714</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21553664.post-114556373459320604</id><published>2006-04-20T15:05:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-04-25T17:56:49.890-05:00</updated><title type='text'>so far beyond the casual solitudes</title><content type='html'>I'd written:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The essays I'm reading on science and myth all seem to have one thing in common: They go from molecules to politics without stopping off at the level of two people sitting and talking, each regarding the other. I wonder if it's because literary fiction -- which is at the level of two people sitting and talking -- largely ignores the molecules, but politics does not.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Doh.  Of course the discussion skips the two-people-talking level.  Two people talking is subjective.  Deals with all that baffling, suspect "I" stuff.  And, worse, "you".  The eco/econ/international-relations policy level is objective and model-based, just like talk about molecules and organisms.  In eco/econ/IR you're talking about masses of people, and what to do to and with them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Btw, today's title is from Wallace Stevens's Re-statement of Romance:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The night knows nothing of the chants of night.&lt;br /&gt;It is what it is as I am what I am:&lt;br /&gt;And in perceiving this I best perceive myself&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And you.  Only we two may interchange&lt;br /&gt;Each in the other what each has to give.&lt;br /&gt;Only we two are one, not you and night,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nor night and I, but you and I, alone,&lt;br /&gt;So much alone, so deeply by ourselves,&lt;br /&gt;So far beyond the casual solitudes,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That night is only the background of our selves,&lt;br /&gt;Supremely true each to its separate self,&lt;br /&gt;In the pale light that each upon the other throws.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I could hardly resist two lines from another poem, Bantams in Pine-Woods:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Fat! Fat! Fat! Fat!  I am the personal.&lt;br /&gt;Your world is you.  I am my world.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But frankly I'm not that interested in chicken consciousness.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We've had tornadoes here.  F-2 level, meaning winds over 150 mph, meaning enough wind to smash brick churches and cinderblock garages, snap 80-year-old trees, suck cars off the tops of parking ramps and drop them on the streets.  (One car has not been found.)  You can see pictures &lt;a href="http://www.press-citizen.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=tornado"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  We're fine at our house, though.  Closest tornado passed about a mile south of us. No damage here even to the tulips.  The 2-year-old reckons our house is not actually strong enough to keep out tornadoes, and is troubled by it when she remembers, turning over how it might come out all right, remembering that broken houses get fixed and we can keep safe downstairs.  She's very interested in watching the crews clean up and fix everything damaged.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm from weak-hurricane country, not tornado country, so I hadn't understood before why you want to be as deep inside, preferably under, the house as you can be.  Especially if the house might fall on you.  I hadn't counted on the missiles, like wood planks the tornadoes drive straight through house walls or four feet into the ground.  Basements, yes, good idea.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/21553664-114556373459320604?l=usrobots.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/feeds/114556373459320604/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21553664&amp;postID=114556373459320604' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/114556373459320604'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/114556373459320604'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2006/04/so-far-beyond-casual-solitudes.html' title='so far beyond the casual solitudes'/><author><name>Amy Charles</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07001791173242631714</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21553664.post-114520778719824062</id><published>2006-04-16T12:08:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-04-16T12:16:27.210-05:00</updated><title type='text'>if I were you and you were me</title><content type='html'>The essays I'm reading on science and myth all seem to have one thing in common: They go from molecules to politics without stopping off at the level of two people sitting and talking, each regarding the other.  I wonder if it's because literary fiction -- which is at the level of two people sitting and talking -- largely ignores the molecules, but politics does not.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's a funny gap, anyway, and I'll have to look around to see what else lives on that level.  Philosophy, maybe.  Maybe religion.  I'd say psychology, but what I've seen of the transactional variety is so model-bound as to be stupid about how people live and behave.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anyway, if you've got reading suggestions, send 'em along.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/21553664-114520778719824062?l=usrobots.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/feeds/114520778719824062/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21553664&amp;postID=114520778719824062' title='8 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/114520778719824062'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/114520778719824062'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2006/04/if-i-were-you-and-you-were-me.html' title='if I were you and you were me'/><author><name>Amy Charles</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07001791173242631714</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>8</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21553664.post-114513736160671798</id><published>2006-04-15T16:42:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-04-15T16:58:40.480-05:00</updated><title type='text'>when it is seemly and when one is fit to receive</title><content type='html'>The title's from James Lovelock's &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;The Ages of Gaia&lt;/span&gt;; Lovelock is the English tinker-scientist who developed the Gaia idea while at NASA JPL.  The quote in full:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;When I first saw Gaia in my mind I felt as an astronaut must have done as he stood on the Moon, gazing back at our home, the Earth.  Thinking of the Earth as alive makes it seem, on happy days, in the right places, as if the whole planet were celebrating a sacred ceremony.  Being on the Earth brings that same special feeling of comfort that attaches to the celebration of any religion when it is seemly and one one is fit to receive.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(I don't know enough to have a position on Gaia, for or against or inbetween, so leave me alone with your crystals.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What strikes me about the passage, and about other scientist/science-writers' excerpts in a strange little MIT texty-anthology called &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;From Gaia to Selfish Genes&lt;/span&gt;, is that it does not carry a sense of breakneck speed. It's also literary.  True, it's about ecology, and as I noted in my reply to Michael, ecology writing is the one place I've reliably found science writing that's slow and poetic.  But the excerpt I've read so far in this book are from the 70s through the early 90s, and they're reminding me of other, older scientist-writers who are, or were, not so much ecologists as humanists: Jacob Bronowski, Roald Hoffman, Carl Sagan.  Speed is not the great mark of their work, I don't think.  So I wonder how far this current sense of speed is simply a recent fashion.  Frankly, I wonder how much of it is in imitation of Feynman, who has a very quick prose and the kind of urging-on feel you get from people who are extremely bright, the kind who are impatient with the slowness of words and people who are slow to grasp the obvious.  But I have never gotten the sense, reading Feynman, that he was agog at the science.  I don't hear what Midgley calls the "mad cheerfulness" of Dawkins and many other contemporary science writers.  Again, fundamentally, he sounded to me like a humanist, with a profound sense of human experience, and a sense that there would be no point to doing science or anything else without it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The mad cheerfulness is, to me, still quite appealing.  I like it in Dawkins and Brooks; I like in in Pekka Himanen's The Hacker Ethic, too. There's a springiness and a sense of every day a birthday, and that's altogether lacking in literary fiction, which seems to require misery.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am thinking of Italo Calvino's &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Six Memos for the Next Millenium&lt;/span&gt;, the lectures he was working on just before his death for the Charles Eliot Norton lectures in '85-86.  They describe and support the literary qualities he thought important at the end of his life, and the five completed essays were on lightness, quickness, exactitude, visibility, and multiplicity; there was to be a sixth on consistency.  Mad cheer is not one of them, and neither is naive delight, but the recent popular science I've read does certainly strike me as either quick, light, and alert to multiplicity, or ploddingly trying for those qualities.  I read the essays long ago and don't remember them; I'll have to reread them now.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/21553664-114513736160671798?l=usrobots.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/feeds/114513736160671798/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21553664&amp;postID=114513736160671798' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/114513736160671798'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/114513736160671798'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2006/04/when-it-is-seemly-and-when-one-is-fit.html' title='when it is seemly and when one is fit to receive'/><author><name>Amy Charles</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07001791173242631714</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21553664.post-114461156914199848</id><published>2006-04-09T13:24:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-04-09T14:43:13.110-05:00</updated><title type='text'>all the little hatchets that came up</title><content type='html'>I've been listening online and on NPR to fiction writers/poets and scientists, trying to talk to each other about how science works in literary fiction and poetry.  So far it's been a complete bust.  Characteristic was an exchange between a poet and a quantum-computing guy on NPR on Friday.  The poet, petulant, demanded to know how quantum computing was going to be fantastic and revolutionary and change her life, and the science guys were so excited a poet had called that they started grasping at how poetic quarks are.  Once again: Poet talking about a person (even if herself); scientists talking about quarks.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also characteristic was a discussion I had with an advisor to the University of Iowa's Literature, Science and the Arts program, during which he kept trying to hook me up with nonfiction and science-fiction writers -- anything that had to do with writing.  The idea of literary fiction as a separate discipline wasn't really there.  Towards the end he looked sort of baffled and said he didn't really hear much from non-SF fiction people. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It occurred to me that a primary quality of the science writing I've read, by scientists and nonscientists, is of breakneck speed.  Terrific enthusiasm, terrific pushing-ahead, and a tangible sense that this is very exciting but there's a lot of work to do, and we're on our way to something.  In what I've seen of science, too, there's pressing, pressing, pressing ahead, scheduling the experiments, at the edge of the chair for results for the next paper, the next conference.  I don't see that there's time for chewing over the words and making perfect sentence.  This is is not, as far as I've known, the mood of poetry and literary fiction writing.  Both are contemplative and reflective, and demand perfect sentences, or as close as you know how to make them.  And maybe this difference in how we work is a real impediment when we try to talk.   &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm looking at the little bookshelf in my office, and -- well, here are two science writers, two literary writers.  John McGahern first, by way of memorial, from his novel &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;The Dark&lt;/span&gt; opened at random:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;You went the same road back, rage seething, and failure.  People had to go among people, they needed other people, yet they couldn't be easy, all the little hatchets that came up.  Wouldn't it be better for them to stay alone in the fields and rooms, and let the world come or pass in whatever shape it would?  Why couldn't the Ryans listen to you tell them that Joan was leaving and no more, instead of driving knives at you, and why had you the same urge to knife them back?  Then you couldn't think when you imagined that meek bastard alone with her in the bathroom.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And here is Wallace Stevens ("The Ultimate Poem Is Abstract"):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;This day writhes with what?  The lecturer&lt;br /&gt;On This Beautiful World Of Ours composes himself&lt;br /&gt;And hems the planet rose and haws it ripe,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And red, and right.  The particular question -- here&lt;br /&gt;The particular answer to the particular question&lt;br /&gt;Is not in point -- the question is in point.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What's important there, the language, not just the vision but the language, because without having the language right the exactness and depth of the peculiar vision won't be there.  Here by contrast is Dawkins, using language not to paint but to illustrate:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;So what do we mean by a miracle? A miracle is something that happens, but which is exceedingly surprising.  If a marble statue of the Virgin Mary suddenly waved its hand at us we should treat it as a miracle, because all our experience and knowledge tells us that marble doesn't behave like that.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(I was going to quote from a book called &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;The Abacus&lt;/span&gt;, which a publisher's rep gave me years ago and which I've been carting around ever since, but it's terrible, and I see I ought to throw it out instead of inflicting it on you.)  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anyway.  The difference between illlustration and painting might not be a terrible metaphor.  Maybe the closest analogue between science writing and literary fiction might be when the science is new and exists only in the mind of the scientist.  At that point the scientist is not trying to illustrate something that's already out in the world and understood, if understood in various ways, but is trying to paint some reality which, at that moment, only he can see.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/21553664-114461156914199848?l=usrobots.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/feeds/114461156914199848/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21553664&amp;postID=114461156914199848' title='7 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/114461156914199848'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/114461156914199848'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2006/04/all-little-hatchets-that-came-up.html' title='all the little hatchets that came up'/><author><name>Amy Charles</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07001791173242631714</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>7</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21553664.post-114357323100661452</id><published>2006-03-28T12:19:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2006-03-28T13:13:51.060-06:00</updated><title type='text'>nerve pills and Ted Chiang</title><content type='html'>Before I apologize for the Midgleython: I did read some stories of Ted Chiang's, and enjoyed them, but I don't think they're literary.  The prose is lively, he's got some good natural swing, he's clever and has some interesting ideas, but I don't feel the power of the English language in his writing.  It's neither poetry nor fine rhetoric.  Which is no tragedy, but I don't think his writing should be held up as an example of literary science fiction.  And it's possible that he's got more literary work than what I've read, but I don't think literary writers generally turn it on and off like that; I think you're a poet or you ain't.  Which, again, is fine.  I'm reading one of Asimov's autobios, and he's got this to say about literary writing: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The trouble with writing poetically is that if you hit the target, the result is beautiful; if you miss, it is rotten.  Poetic writers are usually uneven.  A prosaic writer like me, who consistently misses the heights, also avoids the depths.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think that's true.  On request, though, just because I'm a pedant, I'll do a side-by-side comparison of literary and Ted, and then people can get hysterical about that, if they want to.  But I think it's probably not worthwhile.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(What kind of a snobby reader am I, anyway?  The kind that largely agrees with Harold Bloom about &lt;a href="http://wrt-brooke.syr.edu/courses/205.03/bloom.html"&gt;Harry Potter&lt;/a&gt;, but mostly likes Bloom's headline: "Can 35 Million Book Buyers Be Wrong?  Yes."  There, now I've alienated all six of you.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anyway, about Midgley: I hadn't meant to turn this into the Mary Midgley Hour, but she writes seriously, and without appeals to God, about why we shouldn't believe Rodney Brooks (remember Rodney Brooks?) when he says we're machines and no different from any other kind of biological machines, possibly no different in any important way from any other kind of machine, period.  And why Dawkins is wrong when he says that science is the only way we have of understanding the world.  So I'm taking my time reading her book, and doing something that's unusual for me, scribbling arguments all over it.  I don't usually write in books, but hers needs a conversation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hang on, I've got to go tell the shrink I don't want any more Xanax.  Half a pill and I felt like one of those things you poke with a stick and it doesn't move.  To think people build an empire on this.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="fullpost"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/21553664-114357323100661452?l=usrobots.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/feeds/114357323100661452/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21553664&amp;postID=114357323100661452' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/114357323100661452'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/114357323100661452'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2006/03/nerve-pills-and-ted-chiang.html' title='nerve pills and Ted Chiang'/><author><name>Amy Charles</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07001791173242631714</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21553664.post-114349512190131939</id><published>2006-03-27T14:03:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2006-03-27T15:42:01.176-06:00</updated><title type='text'>the narrow throne of reality</title><content type='html'>Midgley on why talk about the self sounds flaky and unscientific:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Metaphysical materialism [the idea that the biochemistry is all there is to life] got into European thought in the first place as a weapon used, first by the early atomists and then by political campaigners such as Hobbes, against the dominance of religion.  In modern times the prime motivation behind it was horror and indignation at the religious wars and persecutions of the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries and its main target was the notion of the soul as a distinct entity capable of surviving death....this social and political motivation was quite close to that of the ancient atomists, who were also moved by outrage at disastrous religious practices.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This motivation was a suitable one for forging a weapon in campaigns against the churches.  But it was much less able to provide a balanced foundation for the whole of science, let alone for a general understanding of life.  For that wider understanding, change and interaction needed to be seen as intelligible in their own terms and the first-person aspect of life had to be taken seriously as well as the objective one.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Descartes notoriously saw this last problem and made a magnificent attempt to deal with it by making mind or consciousness the starting point for his systematic doubt.  He did succeed in getting subjectivity finally onto the philosophers' agenda, but for a long time they were puzzled about what to do with it.  Descartes still described mind ontologically, not as a first-person aspect or point of view but as a substance, something parallel to physical matter but separate from it and not intelligibly connected with it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This kind of dualism had the fatal effect of making mind look to many scientists like an extra kind of stuff, not like one aspect (among many) of the real world but like a rival substance competing with matter for the narrow throne of reality.  This vision inclined scientifically-minded people to sign up for an ideology called materialism, meaning by that not just allegiance to matter but in some sense disbelief in mind.  The idea of the two as rivals for the status of reality persisted.  Mind was seen as an awkward non-material entity which perhaps ought to be removed with Occam's Razor, one which was certainly too exotic meanwhile to deserve serious scientific attention.  And alarm about it went particularly deep in the social sciences, which were becoming increasingly sensitive about their scientific status.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is why, through much of the twentieth century, scientists, both social and physical, in English-speaking countries were extraordinarily careful to avoid any mention of subjectivity and particularly of consciousness....&lt;br /&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Which sounds grand and sensible, but I'm still waiting for Midgley to admit that the physical stuff generates mind, rather than saying, "These are aspects of human life which must be considered together in understanding what we are."  I understand her impatience with the idea that we're windup toys, and that we're helpless to our biological fate.  I like her attempt, later in the book, at arguing that mere physical state does not push our actions; our own conscious thought does.  But the thoughts must come from somewhere, and must be part of the physical system somehow.  As important as the subjective experience is, and as real as I consider it to be, her arguments do not, so far, persuade me that it drives us as powerfully as other parts of the chemical machinery do.  Or that mind is a special kind of emergent property, different from all others, and more important in its effect on the organism.  Which is saying something, since I've spent most of my adult life writing fiction, or contemplating subjective experience.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Last week I tried &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alprazolam"&gt;Xanax&lt;/a&gt;, a benzodiazepine prescribed for anxiety.  Subjectively: It's an abomination, emotional Botox, but it sure does work.  I took half the minimum prescribed dose and within half an hour had a heavily anesthetized gut feel.  No adrenaline, not even in the middle of a quarrel with my husband -- which I made up by saying, "Was this really so important?"  No spring in the feet, no fight.  The drug left me with an overwhelming sense of Whatever, and I can't imagine that under its influence I would, say, mount a political campaign, or bother flossing my teeth, or find television inane enough to turn off.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I mention this because it's a dramatic example of what seems to me an ordinary reality.  While my thoughts influence my action, so does my gut feel, my physical sense of excitability, dread, paralysis, calm, anesthesia.  It seems to me obvious that the biochemistry influences this physical sense and the thoughts and action that stem from it, and so far I am not seeing Midgley account for this ordinary experience.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/21553664-114349512190131939?l=usrobots.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/feeds/114349512190131939/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21553664&amp;postID=114349512190131939' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/114349512190131939'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/114349512190131939'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2006/03/narrow-throne-of-reality.html' title='the narrow throne of reality'/><author><name>Amy Charles</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07001791173242631714</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21553664.post-114245396153777963</id><published>2006-03-15T13:38:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2006-03-16T23:56:18.763-06:00</updated><title type='text'>Who you calling a semi-illusion?</title><content type='html'>Midgley quotes Dawkins on what selves are:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The individual organism is not exactly an illusion.  It is too concrete for that.  But it is a secondary, derived phenomenon, cobbled together as a consequence of the actions of fundamentally separate, even warring agents.  I shan't develop the idea but just float the idea of a comparison with memes.  Perhaps the subjective 'I', the person that I feel myself to be, is the same kind of semi-illusion....The subjective feeling of 'somebody in there' may be a cobbled, emergent, semi-illusion analagous to the individual body emerging in evolution from the uneasy co-operation of genes.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Midgley is very sharp about this idea that higher-level functions like mind, or individual organisms -- both of them cobbled, emergent -- are not as &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;real&lt;/span&gt; as their constituent and creating particles are.  And obviously I agree with her, since just a few weeks ago I wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;But I don't know that "emergent" and "illusory" are necessarily the same thing. If you are willing to assign selfhood a level of mythic reality, whatever it may spring from, then you are going out to lunch with Teresa, not the illusion of Teresa. Even though you may be aware, if you are inclined to think about these things as you pick the olives out of your salad, that at some level of pre-organization there is no Teresa with lipstick on her teeth, only quantum biochemistry fizzing around in some humanly unimaginable way.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why do I care?  Whatever Roberta Rae imagines people are, surely that sense affects how she deals with them, and how she views herself.  My own sense of what people are must affect both the story and the way I write the characters.  If I believe Roberta is a semi-illusion, but the idea would never occur to her, then I have a problem: Do I write her as a benighted character?  Why, and how do I avoid condescension? Should I write her diffidently, as someone who might be right?  If so, how do I negotiate my own visceral sense of what people are?  However I do it, I want to be fairly clear about what I believe and why, and what Roberta Rae believes and why, and how the views argue with each other.   &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why might nonrepresentational artists want to think about these things?  In 1998 I went to see the Rothko show at the Whitney, and saw for the first time his &lt;a href="http://www.menil.org/images/rothko_int.jpg"&gt;black paintings&lt;/a&gt;.  The room where they hung was an obvious sanctuary, and I sat looking at them for a long time.  I felt they showed, as fact, an inhuman universe, and yet they answered some human groping for sacredness in a rich and unusually articulate way.  They had authority.  What strikes me now is how specific and articulate they were about both that universal absence of human importance and the sense of sacredness, which was so immediately palpable it made people sit down and be quiet.  I doubt an artist comes to that sense of reality accidentally or casually.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anyway.  I imagine Dawkins would dismiss "assigning selfhood a level of mythic reality" as a poetic (and self-delusional) view that doesn't reflect known fact: there is known biochemistry, and nobody has to arbitrarily assign reality to it.  Meantime there is no objectively provable "I".  But Midgley says Dawkins and others who think like him are children in the grip of philosophical fashion.  Next time I'll post her short history of scientific squeamishness about "I"'s reality.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/21553664-114245396153777963?l=usrobots.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/feeds/114245396153777963/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21553664&amp;postID=114245396153777963' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/114245396153777963'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/114245396153777963'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2006/03/who-you-calling-semi-illusion.html' title='Who you calling a semi-illusion?'/><author><name>Amy Charles</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07001791173242631714</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21553664.post-114184735562369386</id><published>2006-03-08T13:35:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2006-03-08T13:49:15.636-06:00</updated><title type='text'>I feel scientific, oh so scientific</title><content type='html'>So I lied.  Reposted from the &lt;a href="http://www.lablit.com"&gt;Lab Lit&lt;/a&gt; forum:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt; &lt;br /&gt;amy:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; I don't know that arts and science are that far apart in individual minds. It could well be that many artists would turn into scientists, and maybe vice-versa, if certain things were suppressed. I had a back injury some years ago and ended up on a subclinical tricyclic dose as a pain modality, and it wrecked my writing. The emotional perceptions weren't as acute, my language was duller &amp; slower. So I stopped trying to write and instead did chem and system admin. All that systematizing stuff was suddenly much more interesting than it had been before. Granted, I wasn't very &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;good&lt;/span&gt; at either of them, still too jumpy &amp; qualitative (and I've forgotten most of it now). But I wonder now what would've happen if we'd upped the dose. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; Not that I'm willing to experiment, now that I'm off the stuff.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;octavia:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That's rather freaky! But I suppose no more freaky than Oliver Sachs-eque tales of people receiving head injuries and then suddenly believing in God - or losing their faith. You really felt more scientific on drugs? I guess lithium can cause bipolar people to lose their creative spark too.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;amy:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; I never really thought of it that way (I feel scientific, oh so scientific...) but I certainly felt calmer, more interested in how things went together step-by-step, less distracted by the force &amp; intensity of how things feel. For me, that intensity is tied to verbal acuity, so the usual speed &amp; sharpness in naming things also went away. It's also tied to the ability to make swift connections between various experiences, emotional states, views of moments. I just felt slow &amp; rather dull in those respects, on the drugs. I was also aware that the people doing real science had a swiftness with nonhuman abstractions that I don't have at all. &lt;span class="fullpost"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; Mind, I was only doing undergrad science at best, so although it did get exciting and possibly even creative for me at a few points, I'm not sure I know what "feeling scientific" is. It might be more accurate to say that I was calm enough to sit still for it, unmolested enough by emotional experience, and bright enough not to be terrible at chemistry at an undergrad level. I might have made a decent mid-level career of it if those had been my normal settings, probably tied to administration or policy. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; A few years ago I read &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance&lt;/span&gt;, and thought the groovy/systems distinction was a useful one. I was almost permanently bewildered as a kid, could not figure out how anything went start to finish or what one bit of a process had to do with another. Frequently failed to notice processes existed, even when I was in the middle of them. I just didn't think of things in terms of how they were put together. Was much too busy with the experience of little chunks. "Red. Smooth. That fabric is criminal and making me ill, how can that woman not notice? I can see the fibers in the paper, the blue line is unexpectedly hopeful." I don't think I started thinking of things in terms of systems, or of the existence of systems, until I was in my 20s. And I'm still fairly oblivious.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;amy:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I just remembered the title credit sequence for The Sopranos -- it's really true to my experience. We used to drive Pennsylvania-NYC once or twice a month when I was a kid, and I don't know how many hundreds of times we made the trip, but I left for college with absolutely no idea how to get from PA to NYC. No concept of a highway system; the on- and off-ramps were mysterious to me. You're on one road, then you're on another, that's all. All I noticed along the way was the way the highway looked, the light reflected in house windows, tired siding, the giant menacing smoothness of tanks in the tank farms, store signs, cut rock along the highway, etc. The Sopranos sequence is exactly right. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Prof:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Sopranos sequence is indeed a work of high art. I have the episodes on DVD and I never fast-forward through it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think what you are describing is very accurate as far as science thinking - and so nice to have such a right-brained description of it as well. Drugs...well, if autism is a perturbation of the mind then why not a pharmacological equivalent?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Read more of this thread at&lt;/span&gt; &lt;a href="http://forums.lablit.com/viewtopic.php?p=966#966"&gt;Lab Lit&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/21553664-114184735562369386?l=usrobots.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/feeds/114184735562369386/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21553664&amp;postID=114184735562369386' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/114184735562369386'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/114184735562369386'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2006/03/i-feel-scientific-oh-so-scientific.html' title='I feel scientific, oh so scientific'/><author><name>Amy Charles</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07001791173242631714</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21553664.post-114168134272570283</id><published>2006-03-06T15:39:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2006-03-06T15:42:22.743-06:00</updated><title type='text'>time out</title><content type='html'>I'm trying to get a story out and probably won't post till the 15th.  Meantime there's a few posts down there looking lonely, so please comment or hijack.  When I come back there'll probably be elaboration on the idea of fault and the line between blind biological drive and will.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/21553664-114168134272570283?l=usrobots.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/feeds/114168134272570283/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21553664&amp;postID=114168134272570283' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/114168134272570283'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/114168134272570283'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2006/03/time-out.html' title='time out'/><author><name>Amy Charles</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07001791173242631714</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21553664.post-114109782580726671</id><published>2006-02-27T21:01:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2006-12-13T09:28:47.243-06:00</updated><title type='text'>fault</title><content type='html'>So there's Roberta Rae in her nightgown, thinking uncharitable things about her sister (who's not fooling anybody with that age-defying chemical skin scrub) and the beau who've waved off the offer of a guest room and instead are staying at the La Quinta Inn on the highway, leaving her in a solitude that takes up space in the bedroom like some big man who talks too loud when he drinks, and behind that solitude is the slowly-souring tumor.  And the shiftlessness of not having money for a surgery that seems dramatic.  Or maybe, as the beau said, lots of tumors, though tonight it just feels like the old familiar one.   &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Down the street there's a twelve-year-old boy named Owen, who has ADHD; his mother tells everyone, Roberta thinks, like she's spreading an alibi.  Owen comes around sometimes when Roberta's burning weeds or mowing and tries to help.  He's more work than help, picks up a stick or a mower and tosses it down again, talking nonstop about a violent video game his parents won't buy for him.  He's already played the entire game at a friend's house, and he tells Roberta about all the traps and weapons.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Last month Owen threw a stick and it caught in the spokes of Frank Bierlander's bicycle.  Frank, age 78, went over the handlebars and cracked his collarbone.  Owen's mother claims Owen had no idea what he was doing, and though at first she was frightened and offered to help pay the doctor bills, now she claims it's Frank's own fault for riding where children play, even though all Frank had done was ride past their low brick ranch as he had done most days for five years.  Owen's parents both blame Frank for riding a bike at all if he can't take falling off.  Plenty in town agree with them and have been irritated anyway with Frank for schoonering around on the bicycle like some eccentric who can do as he pleases.  And at his age.  It helped that they could joke about dementia, but it was irritating, catching him sliding by like that, out of the corner of your eye, out the front picture window.  It wasn't what you expected when you were carrying a Pepsi through the living room.  So now there are at least twenty or thirty people relieved that they will not be surprised by Frank on his bike.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Was it Owen's fault?  He throws things all the time like a snake throwing skin, and he gets occupational therapy for it along with the medication.  He's homeschooled sometimes because he throws pencils and rulers or sends them shooting off his desk.  He says, sullenly, that he doesn't remember throwing any stick.   &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Was it her sister's fault that she brings her boyfriend around when Roberta's got nothing but a tumor to keep her company?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/21553664-114109782580726671?l=usrobots.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/feeds/114109782580726671/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21553664&amp;postID=114109782580726671' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/114109782580726671'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/114109782580726671'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2006/02/fault.html' title='fault'/><author><name>Amy Charles</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07001791173242631714</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21553664.post-114067834774893377</id><published>2006-02-23T00:17:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2006-02-23T15:06:53.083-06:00</updated><title type='text'>trotting out stereotypes</title><content type='html'>Listen to physicist and novelist C.P. Snow's description of scientists v. artists in 1959:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;They have a curious distorted image of each other.  Their attitudes are so different that, even on the level of emotion, they can't find much common ground.  Non-scientists tend to think of scientists as brash and boastful.  They hear &lt;a href="http://nobelprize.org/literature/laureates/1948/eliot-bio.html"&gt;Mr. T.S. Eliot&lt;/a&gt;, who just for these illustrations we can take as an archetypal figure, saying about his attempts to revive verse-drama that we can hope for very little, but that he would feel content if he and his co-workers could prepare the ground for a new Kyd or a new Greene.  That is the tone, restricted and constrained, with which literary intellectuals are at home; it is the subdued voice of their culture.  Then they hear a much louder voice, that of another archetypal figure, &lt;a href="http://nobelprize.org/chemistry/laureates/1908/rutherford-bio.html"&gt;Rutherford&lt;/a&gt;, trumpeting, 'This is the heroic age of science!  This is the Elizabethan age!'  Many of us heard that, and a good many other statements beside which that was mild; and we weren't left in any doubt whom Rutherford was casting for the role of Shakespeare.  What is hard for the literary intellectuals to understand, imaginatively or intellectually, is that he was absolutely right.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now compare all that with the diligent blandness of corporate and legitimate academic science today, versus the tiny, therapy-bolstered heroism of writer-teachers out to transform society through creative self-affirmation.  In literature classes now, Eliot is the high-modernist priest from a lost heroic age of Difficult Literature, with the glamorous literary life involving steamer trunks and half-insane egotists who could actually read what he wrote; in current freshman chemistry texts, Rutherford is hardly a man at all.  If the student bothers to imagine him, he's an Edwardian moustache and some gold foil.  Otherwise, he's the clever, powerful experiment that suggested atoms are heavy nuclei surrounded by light charged particles.  The man himself is lost by Chapter 2.  If the two cultures have not exactly changed positions since 1959, they've come near enough to switching that I don't think it's any particular stance or self-conception keeping them apart.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My suspicion is that there's something deeply fallacious in this talk of two cultures, or "scientific minds" and "artistic souls", and that although there are real and distinct differences between thinking like an artist and thinking like a scientist, they are not the sort of thing that leave people staring at each other across a divide.  I suspect those differences are more like north-north magnets, where if you try to drive them together head-on they resist and slip past each other. My guess is that most of the other differences are superficial, artifacts of how we get paid and short-lived excitements.    &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I've gotten off the track a little; I'd wanted originally to talk about how people in ordinary life pick up scraps of science's operating assumptions, and what that does to how they regard themselves and the world, how they deal with themselves and other people.  I'll return to that in the next post.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don't know yet whether this exploration of how artists and scientists can talk to each other will be useful for anything, but I figure I'll let it run here a while, and see.  If you've read a good article or book on the subject, please recommend it.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/21553664-114067834774893377?l=usrobots.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/feeds/114067834774893377/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21553664&amp;postID=114067834774893377' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/114067834774893377'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/114067834774893377'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2006/02/trotting-out-stereotypes.html' title='trotting out stereotypes'/><author><name>Amy Charles</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07001791173242631714</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21553664.post-114012851216671869</id><published>2006-02-15T23:34:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2006-03-16T14:41:43.866-06:00</updated><title type='text'>who's read mary midgley ?</title><content type='html'>I came across her books on Amazon, and for once can say well done interest-matching algorithm.  One of her titles is &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0415309069/ref=sib_rdr_dp/103-7303896-4199006?%5Fencoding=UTF8&amp;me=ATVPDKIKX0DER&amp;no=283155&amp;st=books&amp;n=283155"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Myths We Live By&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;; it begins like this:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;   We are accustomed to think of myths as the opposite of science.  But in fact they are a central part of it: the part that decides its significance in our lives.  So  we very much need to understand them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;   Myths are not lies.  Nor are they detached stories.  They are imaginative patterns, networks of powerful symbols that suggest particular ways of interpreting the world.  They shape its meaning.  For instance, machine imagery, which began to pervade our thought in the seventeenth century, is still potent today.  We still often tend to see ourselves, and the living things around us, as pieces of clockwork: items of a kind that we could ourselves make, and might decide to remake if it suits us better.  Hence the confident language of 'genetic engineering' and 'the building blocks of life'.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;   Again, the reductive, atomistic picture of explanation, which suggests that the right way to understand complex wholes is always to break them down into their smallest parts, leads us to think that the truth is always revealed at the end of that other seventeenth-century invention, the microscope.  When microscopes dominate our imagination, we feel that the large wholes we deal with in everyday experience are mere appearances.  Only the particles revealed at the bottom of the microscope are real.  Thus, to an extent unknown in earlier times, our dominant technology shapes our symbolism and thereby our metaphysics, our view about what is real.  The heathen in his blindness bows down to wood and stone -- steel and glass, plastic and rubber and silicon -- of his own devising and sees them as the final truth.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;   Of course this mechanistic imagery does not rule alone.  Older myths survive and are still potent, but they are often given a reductive and technological form.  Thus, for instance, we are still using the familiar social-contract image of citizens as essentially separate and autonomous individuals, but we are less likely now to defend it on humanistic or religious grounds than by appealing to a neo-Darwinist vision of  universal competition....&lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;br /&gt;Which is the kind of thing I'm interested in, in happily lucid prose.  From what I've read about her so far, I gather she, like many others, thinks Dawkins is an idiot, this time because he ignores the role and value of other myths in viewing the world even when science gives nice resolution.  It's worth mentioning that she's not religious, herself, and her object apparently isn't to persuade the reader of the glories of God.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I haven't read enough Dawkins to have an opinion on whether or not he's a bright idiot, and I'm not really interested in joining a team, but I can understand having a sense that you're listening to a 14-year-old cousin who's in possession of many facts and won't be leaving for two days.  I wonder, though, if he doesn't get a bum rap.  &lt;span class="fullpost"&gt;The problem with looking at the world through the lens of, say, &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;The Selfish Gene&lt;/span&gt; (which I enjoyed very much), is that it doesn't seem to have a hell of a lot of use in everyday human life, except in giving some support for playing Tit for Tat. You don't go out to lunch with genes; you go out with people.  Dawkins recognizes this, and partly anticipated Midgley twenty years ago.  This is from the beginning of &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;The Blind Watchmaker&lt;/span&gt;, where he's talking about the problem of understanding things in terms of tiniest, lowest-level interactions:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;   The behaviour of a computer can be explained in terms of interactions between semiconductor electronic gates, and the behaviour of these, in turn, is explained by physicists at yet lower levels.  But, for most purposes, you would in practice be wasting your time if you tried to understand the behaviour of the whole computer at either of those levels.  There are too many electronic gates and too many interconnections between them.  A satisfying explanation has to be in terms of a manageably small number of interactions.  This is why, if we want to understand the workings of computers, we prefer a preliminary explanation in terms of about half a dozen major subcomponents -- memory, processing mill, backing store, control unit, input-output handler, etc.  Having grasped the interactions between the half-dozen major components, we then may wish to ask questions about the internal organization of these major components.  Only specialist engineers are likely to go down to the level of AND gates and NOR gates, and only physicists will go down further, to the level of how electrons behave in a semiconducting medium.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;  For those that like '-ism' sorts of names, the aptest name for my approach to understanding how things work is probably 'hierarchical reductionism'.  If you read trendy intellectual magazines, you may have noticed that 'reductionism' is one of those things, like sin, that is only mentioned by people who are against it.  to call oneself a reductionist will sound, in some circles, a bit like admitting to eating babies.  But, just as nobody actually eats babies, so nobody is really a reductionist in any sense worth being against.  The nonexistent reductionist -- the sort that everybody is against, but who exists only in their imaginations -- tries to explain complicated things &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;directly&lt;/span&gt; in terms of the &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;smallest&lt;/span&gt; parts, even, in some extreme versions of the myth, as the &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;sum&lt;/span&gt; of the parts!  The hierarchical reductionist, on the other hand, explains a complex entity at any particular level in the hierarchy of organization, in terms of entities only one level down the hierarchy; entities which, themselves, are likely to be complex enough to need further reducing to their own component parts; and so on.  It goes without saying -- though the mythical, baby-eating reductionist is reputed to deny this -- that the kinds of explantions which are suitable at high levels in the hierarchy are quite different from the kinds of explanations which are suitable at lower levels....Reductionism, in this sense, is just another name for an honest desire to understand how things work.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;All of which leads me to wonder:  Where are the Americans in this discussion?  No, seriously, I say "partly anticipated" because Midgley is talking about reductionism's leading us to view the higher-level stuff -- personhood, for instance -- as illusion, not about our using it in some attempt to understand people in terms of quantum biochemical behavior.  But I wonder if she's setting up a straw man.   Yes, it is true that some bioscientists and roboticists will call personhood, or selfhood, an emergent property of certain biochemical organization and interactions.  But I don't know that "emergent" and "illusory" are necessarily the same thing.  If you are willing to assign selfhood a level of mythic reality, whatever it may spring from, then you are going out to lunch with Teresa, not the illusion of Teresa.  Even though you may be aware, if you are inclined to think about these things as you pick the olives out of your salad, that at some level of pre-organization there is no Teresa with lipstick on her teeth, only quantum biochemistry fizzing around in some humanly unimaginable way.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(And we're back again to Asimov, to his story about Stephen Byerly, the inflammatory presidential candidate who might be a robot; he won't tell.  Does it matter, as I ask &lt;a href="http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2006/01/is-we-is-or-is-we-aint.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, that your dead brother was a robot, if you knew him as &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;brother?&lt;/span&gt;  Is it likely that Bobbie regards herself, tumor and cold paint-peeling house and all, as illusion?  Again, I am not sure that &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;illusion&lt;/span&gt; is the real problem.  It seems more likely to me that the loss of specialness, as Rodney Brooks points out, is a bigger problem, and of course that comes from other myths.  It's the problem of seeing those multiple levels of reality simultaneously, and attempting to reconcile their controlling myths in some way we can live with.  Maybe I ought to read Midgley's book, though, eh?)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/21553664-114012851216671869?l=usrobots.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/feeds/114012851216671869/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21553664&amp;postID=114012851216671869' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/114012851216671869'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/114012851216671869'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2006/02/whos-read-mary-midgley.html' title='who&apos;s read mary midgley ?'/><author><name>Amy Charles</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07001791173242631714</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21553664.post-114003465158150625</id><published>2006-02-15T13:04:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2006-02-17T16:03:45.136-06:00</updated><title type='text'>two cultures, nodding and smiling</title><content type='html'>tideliar writes: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;I think it would terribly helpful to have scientists interested more in the philosophy of science. I thnk nowadays we lack a broader understand of life, or a view of the bigger picture if you like. Public perception of science and scientists is at an all time low. The "public" are generally distrustful of science, yet seem to lap up what is spoon fed to them by the media. I think if we engaged with our work and what it does, and what it means on amore emotional level, things could change. However, most scientists I know pride themselves on being rational and thus cold and logical (even when it's patently not true). I think this may be a difficult bridge to cross...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I talked recently with a friend at Michigan's School of Information (OK, the silliness of the name is wearing off after a year), where they regularly hold informal, interdisciplinary conferences with usability people, library science people, policy people, and some others. I was curious about how they understand each other well enough to have meaningful conversation on the chosen topics, and asked if the topics are recognized by all of them as problems or Major Important Things to Grapple With.  No, he said, not really.  And yet, according to him, the conferences are lively, useful, and well-attended.  Not a source of unmanageable frustration about those _____ people who just don't get it.  It occurred to him that he might be seeing the fruit of several years' worth of teaching these groups to talk to each other.&lt;span class="fullpost"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I wonder how much of that might be necessary in getting artists and scientists to talk to each other usefully &amp; interestingly.  Maybe it'll be largely a matter of finding the right seed people: well-read &amp; serious scientists already thoughtful about the philosophy of science, serious/deep artists with unusually flexible views of creativity, patience with logical trains of thought, and quick grip on abstractions, and conversations that develop some language and conceptual girders for more conversations among other artists &amp; scientists.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Again, only limited undergrad exposure, but I'd guessed the "just the science, ma'am," culture came mostly from two facts:  One, you have to make things work, which means being extremely careful about what you don't know and what you believe from other people; two, it takes a lot of money to do science, and you have to compete for it, so there's tremendous pressure to look reliably smart.  Which means not gassing around sounding stupid/wifty/whimsical more often than you must.  But I expect people in the business have better ideas about why scientists sound like scientists, and why "sound like scientists" is an irritating &amp; misleading thing to say.  (There are some conversations on this over at &lt;a href="http://www.lablit.com"&gt;LabLit&lt;/a&gt;, which is mainly about representations of science and scientists in fiction. Mostly sci fi, but literary when they can get it.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There's not a hell of a lot of money in art, and I can do without watching it dawn on more scientists and other professionals how often literary writers work for free, and how small the money usually is when we do get paid.  But there's also little penalty for talking absolute bullshit most of the time, thinking out loud and getting most of it wrong.  You even can wander around being an unbearable flake, I mean spouting real idiocy, but no one will stop not paying you for it. If you can pan for gold in all that crap and write something striking or beautiful ten years later, that's really all that counts.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Might help for participants from both sides to understand, some, why they talk the way they do, how the others talk &amp; why.  Might help the conversation along.  I wonder if it's possible or even all that important.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I hadn't heard that, btw, about public perceptions of scientists.  Who says?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Oh.  On the celebrity nightstand now: &lt;i&gt;The Blind Watchmaker&lt;/i&gt;.  I've had three Ted Chiang recommendations, so I'll read him &amp; welcome story or collection recommendations.  And I guess it's time to read &lt;a href="http://http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0521457300/103-7303896-4199006?v=glance&amp;n=283155"&gt;C. P. Snow.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/21553664-114003465158150625?l=usrobots.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/feeds/114003465158150625/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21553664&amp;postID=114003465158150625' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/114003465158150625'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/114003465158150625'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2006/02/two-cultures-nodding-and-smiling.html' title='two cultures, nodding and smiling'/><author><name>Amy Charles</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07001791173242631714</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21553664.post-113978072486472965</id><published>2006-02-12T15:40:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2006-02-17T15:45:02.270-06:00</updated><title type='text'>on grooviness</title><content type='html'>Here's one from &lt;a href="http://http://www.camreading.blogspot.com/"&gt;cam&lt;/a&gt;:   &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    I've been thinking lots this week about connections between literature, philosophy and science, after hearing Neal DeGrasse Tyson comment in a lecture that Philosophy in Science had a useful purpose through the 19th century, but was irrelevant now. He later discussed how physicists like Brian Greene and his string theory peers have ventured too far from science in that they can't test empirically their theories. The string theorists are philosophers, not scientists, from Tyson's perspective.&lt;span class=fullpost&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    I remember seeing a carton posted on the Biology dept bulletin board when I was in college. The cartoon depicted a physician telling a man he had an incurable illness and only a few weeks to live. In the last frame he say's "So, what do you think of E.M. Forster"? Someone had penned on the cartoon: "Biology - the real pre-med".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    While I laughed at the cartoon, I'm sure I chuckled for different reasons than the biologist who posted it. Yes, the context was ridiculous, but who wouldn't want their physician to be well-rounded, to be informed by something other than just cells under the microscope and results of lab tests? (I'm not arguing whether reading Forster would provide that, so substitute your favorite writers or philosophers.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    I recently discovered Raymond Carver's poem 'What the Doctor Said' (published in "New Path to the Waterfall", 1990) and recalled that cartoon I saw over 25 years ago. The persona in Carver's poem is equally uncomfortable with the doctor asking if he was a religious man as he was with the scientific facts of his cancer. Neither suggestion is useful when receiving the diagnosis.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    When I looked at the slides Tyson displayed in his lecture - photos of the Crab Nebula, of the Andromeda Galaxy, and other shots from the Hubble -- I couldn't help but think that they were artistic and, somehow, poetic. They seemed beyond awe-inspiring. I thought they embodied a truth beyond what they tell us about stars and black holes -- the level of 'truth' that we don't know fully but that helps us to understand our world and our relationship to it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    Scientific theories do need to be able to stand up to the rigors of testing, must be supported by facts. Philosophy must not disregard data that it doesn't like because it is inconvenient to one's argument. But, is quantifiable data the only way to understand the world?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    If science is the quest to know our universe, isn't it attempting to do, in another manner, what philosophers and writers have been doing since humans first shared their thoughts with others? It is another way to try to find meaning in our existence, both individually, and in a broader, universal, sense. Therefore, shouldn't the two disciplines draw upon each other more, rather than less?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/21553664-113978072486472965?l=usrobots.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/feeds/113978072486472965/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21553664&amp;postID=113978072486472965' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/113978072486472965'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/113978072486472965'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2006/02/on-grooviness.html' title='on grooviness'/><author><name>Amy Charles</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07001791173242631714</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21553664.post-113959851578044070</id><published>2006-02-10T12:46:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2006-02-10T13:12:38.296-06:00</updated><title type='text'>art and science: what they are, what they aren't</title><content type='html'>I've been thinking about how to arrange some talks between artists -- literary fiction writers, mostly -- and scientists, how they might be structured so we don't just talk past each other.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://jamestata.blogspot.com"&gt;James Tata&lt;/a&gt; sent me a link he thought I might be interested in; it's an &lt;a href="http://http://www.themorningnews.org/archives/birnbaum_v/lisa_randall.php"&gt;interview &lt;/a&gt; with physicist Lisa Randall, in which she talks about working with novelist Cormac McCarthy.  It was essentially an interested McCarthy editing her manuscript -- she'd never read his books before he involved himself -- and I think the interview may illuminate a gap between the cultures of science and art.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Randall herself is a mystery reader, and it's a popular genre, but I hear a lot of scientists light up about mysteries when I ask them about hobbies or what they like to read for fun.  When you're a writer, people who aren't writers often tell you their story ideas, and when I think back on it, scientists have generally offered puzzle-stories like mysteries.  Many of them have also told me they like doing science because they like puzzles.  And I'm beginning to wonder if there's a commonly-held, fundamental misperception, on the science side, of what literary writers do, what we perceive story to be.  I guess it wouldn't be surprising.  I'd expect most of us don't know what they do, either, or what they perceive science and their work to be.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Maybe the first thing to do in any sort of conference or conversation would be for the scientists and writers to talk about what their work is and is not.  I know the answers would be quite varied on the fiction side.  I don't know what might come out on the science side.  And that alone seems worth finding out.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/21553664-113959851578044070?l=usrobots.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/feeds/113959851578044070/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21553664&amp;postID=113959851578044070' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/113959851578044070'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/113959851578044070'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2006/02/art-and-science-what-they-are-what.html' title='art and science: what they are, what they aren&apos;t'/><author><name>Amy Charles</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07001791173242631714</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21553664.post-113950870032315730</id><published>2006-02-09T12:03:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2006-02-09T12:14:13.080-06:00</updated><title type='text'>hijack this thread</title><content type='html'>Digory wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;A couple of thoughts, which I am not sure where to put, so here they go -&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yeah, this is why I'm not a terrific fan of blog structure.  Please feel free to hijack threads if you've got some sci/art-related topic you'd like to write on, and I'll repost your comment as a new thread starter.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/21553664-113950870032315730?l=usrobots.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/feeds/113950870032315730/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21553664&amp;postID=113950870032315730' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/113950870032315730'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/113950870032315730'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2006/02/hijack-this-thread.html' title='hijack this thread'/><author><name>Amy Charles</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07001791173242631714</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21553664.post-113933841976964630</id><published>2006-02-07T12:23:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2006-02-07T12:59:01.920-06:00</updated><title type='text'>qubits</title><content type='html'>As I'm wandering around on Edge and thinking about the sagging old maid with the tumor, I'm beginning to think I ought to learn something about quantum computation.  (Have a look at &lt;a href=http://www.qubit.org&gt;www.qubit.org&lt;/a&gt; for definitions and info on quantum computing.)  What interests me is that it can be used in simulating quantum-mechanical systems.  Maybe that means there will be less uncertainty about how we work.  Or maybe it won't be relevant for anything as big as a person.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The University of Utah runs a yearly &lt;a href=http://www.scienceandliterature.org&gt;symposium&lt;/a&gt; on science and literature that may interest readers here.  They describe their project so:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;The foundational idea behind the symposium is that there is an important reciprocal influence between the sciences, the arts, and the humanities, though the ways in which current ideas are expressed and manifested, especially in our age of specialization, may be so different that the connections between them—as well as the ability to trace precedence—may not always be clear. Historically, for example, it is almost impossible for anyone who has even a basic understanding of Einstein to read much of Virginia Woolf's work without considering the impact of his ideas on her thinking, while chaos theory may have been predicted in the works of various 19th century writer.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm thinking it's time for the old maid to get a name.  Let's call her...Roberta Rae.  But I think everyone calls her Bobbie.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/21553664-113933841976964630?l=usrobots.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/feeds/113933841976964630/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21553664&amp;postID=113933841976964630' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/113933841976964630'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/113933841976964630'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2006/02/qubits.html' title='qubits'/><author><name>Amy Charles</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07001791173242631714</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21553664.post-113926065337451922</id><published>2006-02-06T14:16:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2006-02-06T15:41:04.776-06:00</updated><title type='text'>no manual</title><content type='html'>Last night, on Chicago's WGN news, there was an item about three murders in a car shootout.  They showed a car off in a strip of waste by an empty lot in a nighttime city-highway no-man's-land, with the windshield shot through.  The car &amp; the scene, and the bright camera lights, reminded me of the way New York felt to me in my childhood in the mid/late 70s, how dangerous and askew things felt as we drove through neighborhoods to my grandparents' houses.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It occurred to me that those New York streets may not have been as dangerous as I remember.  Every so often we're treated to  studies of crime, accident, disease, and malaise that say no, things were not that bad; or, they were bad, but not in the way that we recall.  The studies often sound reasonable; are they right?  Me, I end up feeling amnesiac. How can I remember exactly what I saw and felt and why?  How do I know the meaning of what I saw?  What was my past, besides eating and laundry?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;****&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Imagine you're that sagging old maid with a tumor in the imaginary William Gass story from a few posts ago.  And assume that you view yourself as a biological machine; you believe there's some physical reason why you have this tumor.  You don't believe it's because you threw a can at a cat or wished your sister was ugly; you just have it, and you just can't afford to get it taken care of.  When it comes down to it, nobody can explain how you got this tumor, or what you can do to keep from getting another one.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now say your sister comes to visit with her beau, a pharmacist who studied biochemistry in college long ago.  As she keeps telling you.  Over a dinner of salads and jello he tells you that you likely got the tumor because you had a variety of mineral deficiencies, and that if you don't start taking megadoses you're going to sprout tumors like a lawn sprouts mushrooms.   All over, and inside, too.  In fact he wouldn't be surprised if you had some pretty good internal ones going right now.  That's not what the man in Rockford told you two years ago; he said your tumor was likely caused by a freak mutation and would be an inconvenience, mostly.  Your sister volunteers that your Aunt May had had a great big tumor right on her neck, and that it came from the polluted well she had; her beau tells her she's wrong, and that Aunt May had a simple goiter.  Now you try to picture Aunt May and can't remember whether it was a goiter or not, but instead of feeling your own neck you hold your hands in your lap and pointedly do not offer your sister more jello.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That night, when you go to bed, what do you do?  Do you put the whole thing heavily out of your mind?  Do you fret about what you are and will be?  Make up some loony synthesis of all the tumor explanations and decide what you'll do next?  Resign yourself to a moment-by-moment existence and self-definition, and profound uncertainty about who you were and will be?  This isn't simple hypochondria on your part; you believe your mind and self are emergent properties of your physical body.  A radically changed body, a brain tumor, a paralysis, any of these things might change who you are, or the background sense of self that Antonio Damasio describes.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you have a car, and something alarming goes wrong with it a few times -- say it stalls unpredictably -- you try to get rid of it and find a more reliable car.  Problem solved.  But you're stuck with your body.  What does an ordinary fictional character do, then, when she doesn't care for supernatural explanations of life, but faces perennial uncertainty and revisionism about what and who she is, why she senses reality the way she does?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/21553664-113926065337451922?l=usrobots.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/feeds/113926065337451922/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21553664&amp;postID=113926065337451922' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/113926065337451922'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/113926065337451922'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2006/02/no-manual.html' title='no manual'/><author><name>Amy Charles</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07001791173242631714</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21553664.post-113911509864935793</id><published>2006-02-04T22:44:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2006-02-04T22:51:38.656-06:00</updated><title type='text'>Got book and paper recommendations?</title><content type='html'>I need to compile a reading list (for me) on the social implications of looking at life mechanistically or, um, emergently.  Books, articles, and papers that have to do with recent scientific views of cognition, self-conception, and social conception would be good.  So would books on historical intersections of art and science, though please no fractal-art, ASCII art, or other game-y art.  If there are a few you particularly like, or writers you like, please recommend.  Thanks.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/21553664-113911509864935793?l=usrobots.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/feeds/113911509864935793/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21553664&amp;postID=113911509864935793' title='7 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/113911509864935793'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/113911509864935793'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2006/02/got-book-and-paper-recommendations.html' title='Got book and paper recommendations?'/><author><name>Amy Charles</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07001791173242631714</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>7</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21553664.post-113882547686912665</id><published>2006-02-01T12:34:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2006-02-01T23:55:34.183-06:00</updated><title type='text'>Are there really any accidents?</title><content type='html'>As much as art nerds like surprises in art, I don't think we're really all that friendly to accident.  I think we're prisoners of form, when you look at how life really goes.   An &lt;i&gt;apparent&lt;/i&gt; accident is nice -- say the discovery that Darth Vader is in fact Luke's father, or, less fun, the modernist experiments with language and the "make your own adventure" of 90s hypertexts.  The accidents that happen as you're making the art are nice, too, like, say, the sudden understanding that a milquetoast character is really a kind of blind prophet and the pivot of your story.  But there has to be some emotional coherence to art, which means "why" attends every choice.  Why does this character show up now?  What does it mean that he's dressed like that, and who cares?  "But it really happened that way" is a lousy defense, even in nonfiction, and I'd bet most editors are pretty quick to dismiss it.  Not because editors are dismissive jerks, but because it's pretty rare for big, strong-emotion-generating machines to assemble themselves by accident in short realtimes; as long as it takes to read a novel, for instance.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you manage to break out of the expected causal relationships (the antique-gun dealer has to leave the pistol on the mantel so the protagonist can ignore it and watch her husband leave with another woman in 60 pages, leaving the gun as a symbol of how the protag deals with the world generally and her reasons for it), you'll still have to make the work coherent somehow.  With tone, or unusual connections between elements of your piece,or somehow -- it doesn't matter how.  There are grammars to how fiction goes, too, from "Once upon a time" to the expectation that the quaint hypertext you're playing with will not turn out to be a spybot for NSA or a straight-ahead &lt;a href=http://www.reitzes.com/cutup.html&gt;Burroughs cut-up&lt;/a&gt; or be written entirely in cuneiform.  If you're not working with a well-established grammar, you'll have to come up with some internal structure of your own, or at best you'll have made a marshy curiosity, a one-off.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Combine those restraints with artists' limited imaginations, and I think it's very hard, maybe impossible, to make a fiction that's as strange and accident-ridden as life.  It seems to me the mechanical-universe view is actually friendlier to accident.  Not because of the idea that things are in fact accidental and chaotic, but because of the acceptance of our limited understanding and data collection.  If we can't model a few hydrogen atoms' behavior in a closed space, how can we hope to explain the origins of a particular real cancer, let alone why Uncle Charlie met that floozy at church two months before he died and left her everything?  For all purposes, much of life is accidental, then.  Until, unless, we have a better explanation, and in the meantime you can believe what you like but there's no scientific basis for it.  Unless you're Michael Behe.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Speaking of Behe (and must I?  No, but as a Lehigh alum it tickles me to think what he's doing to the administration), &lt;a href=http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/1997/PSCF6-97Alfred.html&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; is a quiet but demurring review of his book by Alice Fulton, who's a biochemist here at Iowa and a recently-ordained Episcopal priest.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Would a more mechanical view of life force greater tolerance of apparent accident inside fictional worlds?  I'm thinking again of cars and how, in stories, characters attach supernatural meanings to breakdowns.  I wonder if a fictional world where characters are simply tolerant of accident would be too boring.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/21553664-113882547686912665?l=usrobots.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/feeds/113882547686912665/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21553664&amp;postID=113882547686912665' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/113882547686912665'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/113882547686912665'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2006/02/are-there-really-any-accidents.html' title='Are there really any accidents?'/><author><name>Amy Charles</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07001791173242631714</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21553664.post-113859682055471207</id><published>2006-01-29T21:10:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2006-02-01T14:49:52.073-06:00</updated><title type='text'>the accidental patient</title><content type='html'>A couple of years ago I met a recently-ordained minister, a hospital chaplain here in Iowa City.  We have a tertiary teaching hospital here, one of a few large hospitals in Iowa, so there are patients who come a hundred miles or more for treatment, and their families often come along.  She said she'd been struck by the number of patients -- and their families -- who were dead certain they were sick because they'd done something wrong.  Morally wrong, sin wrong, not pack-a-day wrong or unlucky-choice-of-parents wrong.  Over the course of her first few months, if I recall her story, she'd learned to stop trying to explain medically why they were sick, and instead tried to persuade them in religious terms that they were blameless.  Also that it was appropriate to shift their concern from self-incrimination and faultseeking to healing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's a common conception of illness, I think.  More usual than not.  It's punishment, or at the very least a sort of gracelessness, and I think many of us attach cosmic significance to our own major illnesses.  It's a terrific time for pact-making: If I beat this, I'll ______.  Forever.  I'll reform, I'll do good deeds, I'll straighten up and fly right.  And you hear people talk about recovery in religious terms with great seriousness:  God spared me for a reason.  There's no mention in there of, say, lucky biochemistry, or being sick at the right time in medical history.  Or accident.  The accidental mutation, the accidental cascade trigger.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I wonder what would change, socially and storywise, if we mainly conceived of illness as simple, even accidental, mechanical failure.  I'm not sure it would necessarily make us &lt;i&gt;kinder&lt;/i&gt; to either ourselves or other sick people.  There would be, for instance, no readymade story for reform and aiding the sinner.  I think of how we look at people who have lousy cars and houses; would we still avoid sick people, feeling that they've got some taint of loserdom or that they're irresponsible managers?  I could see how, say, in a William-Gass sort of cold midwestern house, with a sagging braless old maid and the uncomfortable relative who's staying a while, a long illness might lose a sense that somehow, in the silent-treatment vastness of the small town and surrounding, the sick woman might have done something wrong.  Something important, maybe, though no one except maybe some infuriatingly overreaching minister would even try to tell her what, or when, or the scale of it.  Instead it might carry the same feel, resignation, shame, as the rotting porch foundation she can't afford to have fixed this year, again.   I imagine that could be.  Only with the porch foundation, someone might inflict or bestow charity on her, fix the thing while she was away.  With a tumor, well, not so likely.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/21553664-113859682055471207?l=usrobots.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/feeds/113859682055471207/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21553664&amp;postID=113859682055471207' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/113859682055471207'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/113859682055471207'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2006/01/accidental-patient.html' title='the accidental patient'/><author><name>Amy Charles</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07001791173242631714</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21553664.post-113856015430679595</id><published>2006-01-29T11:43:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2006-02-17T16:16:47.163-06:00</updated><title type='text'>so is it science fiction?</title><content type='html'>I make irritated noises at the idea, partly because of how sci-fi is relegated to genre ghetto, partly because the question's inevitable.  The propaganda publishing-world answer is "no".  A more thoughtful answer is "it depends on how you define science fiction."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I mean if you think of what &lt;i&gt;science fiction&lt;/i&gt; usually means, it's wooden plotting and character, enormous breasts, story staring bug-eyed at some technical challenge (no water, disease, an expensive robot gone bad, space armada with unbeatable weapons) and driven by the grammars of other genres: action-adventure, mystery, fairy tale, gothic romance.   This is obviously not what I'm after in talking about our own machineness.  While I'd bet there are many novels yet to be written staring at the idea of our being machines...well, I liken it to the difference between tourists and residents.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You go to a strange city, you're struck by the landmarks, by what people wear and how they talk, by the width of the streets, whatever's strange to you.  Live there for a while, or a lifetime, and you become blind to certain things (tall buildings, say) or you understand them with a depth and richness unknown to tourists (what it means, for instance, that people talk the way they do).  You're A.J. Liebling, not Paul Theroux.  And over the span of your life in a place, the features rise and sink and take on different meanings.  The tall building is a landmark, is invisible, is an historical anchor, is a political controversy, is a proxy for powerful men you may or may not know or have dealings with.  The way a woman talks is a novelty, a struggle to understand, a master to your clumsiness with the local language, a sign of a certain status, a souvenir of a time and place with certain meanings of its own, which may or may not be meaningful to you personally.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So with ideas like machineness.  I don't think a novel staring at life's mechanical nature is going to be very much more interesting than a tourist's travelogue.  But if artists can draw out the meanings and life of how we already understand ourselves, now, to be machine to some extent -- or if they can imagine a world that doesn't quite exist yet, but is conceivable in, say, the next fifteen years, or 50 -- and get to those depths and richnesses that you get when you really live with something and take it for granted, I think we'll have something very interesting.   &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And I guess that's really the question: Is it SF if the premise is "just suppose," and you're supposing something to do with science?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(There's a discussion on a related topic at &lt;a href="http://http://forums.lablit.com/viewtopic.php?t=76"&gt;LabLit&lt;/a&gt;, mostly to do with how "lab lit" -- fictions about scientists and doing science -- might be distinct from science fiction.  They also answer my question by contrasting sci fi with "speculative fiction", at which point I wonder how much the label matters.)&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/21553664-113856015430679595?l=usrobots.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/feeds/113856015430679595/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21553664&amp;postID=113856015430679595' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/113856015430679595'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/113856015430679595'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2006/01/so-is-it-science-fiction.html' title='so is it science fiction?'/><author><name>Amy Charles</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07001791173242631714</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21553664.post-113855645303134151</id><published>2006-01-29T11:00:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2006-01-29T11:40:53.056-06:00</updated><title type='text'>lovely quiet machines</title><content type='html'>I know there are plenty of people who regard the idea of being machines with a sort of horror, but for me it's a pleasant relief.  The feeling I get is much like Doris Lessing's description of modern decor ca. 1940:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The flat was bright, modern, compact.  The small living room had striped curtains, pale rugs, light modern furniture.  Coming into it was a relief; one enters a strange place feeling, To what must I adapt myself?  But there was nothing individual here to claim one's mood, there was no need to submit oneself.  In this country, or in England, or in any other country, one enters this flat, is at home at once, with a feeling of peace.  Thank God!  There are enough claims on us as it is, tugging us this way and that, without considering fittings and furniture.  Who used them before?  What kind of people were they?  What do they demand of us?  Ah, the blessed anonymity of the modern flat, that home for nomads who, with no idea of where they are travelling, must travel light, ready for anything.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(That's from &lt;a href=http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/006095969X/104-1976788-0088755?v=glance&amp;n=283155&gt;Martha Quest&lt;/a&gt;.)  There's something cheerful, too, even witty, in this &lt;i&gt;bip!&lt;/i&gt; Out we go at the end.  No mess.  No space junk or atmosphere crowded with souls.  You only paid for one ride, dearie, come on now, off the horse.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;All right, that one's no fun.  But I have a New Yorker cover on my wall from Nov. '95, the Angel of Death leading the pack at the NYC marathon.  Oh, what a light, jolly soul.  In running shoes, with magnificent wings and gray beard, and wiry muscles, a singing heart, and his scythe, hourglass bouncing along at his waist.  What fun he has!  This happy mower.  And everyone behind him straining and panting, eyes bulging, all manner of fat and musclebound and hollow-cheeked.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/21553664-113855645303134151?l=usrobots.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/feeds/113855645303134151/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21553664&amp;postID=113855645303134151' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/113855645303134151'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/113855645303134151'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2006/01/lovely-quiet-machines.html' title='lovely quiet machines'/><author><name>Amy Charles</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07001791173242631714</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21553664.post-113840603381186150</id><published>2006-01-27T17:49:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2006-01-29T10:59:27.143-06:00</updated><title type='text'>Is we is, or is we ain't?</title><content type='html'>At MIT, a roboticist named Rodney Brooks runs the Artificial Intelligence Lab.  He's a familiar name to interested non-roboticists like me; he turns up on NPR, at interdisciplinary symposia, in Errol Morris's documentary &lt;a href=http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119107/&gt;Fast, Cheap, and Out of Control&lt;/a&gt;.  He's a co-founder of iRobot Corp., which makes the robotic home vacuum Roomba.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If I understand him correctly, Brooks's assertion is that we’re essentially machines, no different in principle from either lower-order natural creatures or robots, and that there is probably no special "life" substance or physics unique to conscious beings.  I'm not sure he's all that unusual among scientists in holding those beliefs, but as far as I can make out, he's unusual in his willingness to conjecture openly about the social implications.  I like this bit from his 2002 book &lt;a href=http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0375420797/104-1976788-0088755?v=glance&amp;n=283155&gt;Flesh and Machines: How Robots Will Change Us&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt; A central tenet of molecular biology is that is all there is.  There is an implicit rejection of mind-body duality, and instead an implicit acceptance of the notion that mind is a product of the operation of the brain, itself made entirely of biomolecules....The body is a machine, with perhaps billions and billions of parts, parts that are well ordered in the way they operate and interact.  We are machines, as are our spouses, our children, and our dogs.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Needless to say, many people bristle at the use of the word “machine.”  They will accept some description of themselves as collections of components that are governed by rules of interaction, and with no component beyond what can be understood with mathematics, physics, and chemistry.  But that to me is the essence of what a machine is, and I have chosen that word to perhaps brutalize the reader a little....This is the key loss of specialness with which I claim mankind is currently faced....&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don’t know whether Brooks is right about the machine nature of life, personhood, and consciousness (though I find the ideas attractive for what I suspect are mainly aesthetic reasons).   Whether or not he’s right isn’t important to me now.  What’s important to me is that the science of &lt;i&gt;that’s all there is&lt;/i&gt; is influential in a practical, everyday way, and that the lab’s products are forcing an incremental awareness of our machine nature: It’s time to replace this knee.  They had to give Mom fake blood.  We’ve got your new skin growing on a patch, please be patient, and it’s true you’re deaf, but we can get those cochlear implants hooked up to your nerves by May.  They're looking at a new drug for Jeremy, it goes right into the cancer's DNA and chops it up or something, stops it cold, whatever it is.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What’s also important to me is that these ideas are a radical departure from the more general mythologies of angels, souls, heaven and hell, and mothers’ spirits after death, which are not only part of street life but define the background of most contemporary US fiction, either directly or through polite agnosticism, or as the rebelled-against in suburban nihilism.  I think the public awarenesses of the machine qualities are nestled against the current religious revival, and I’m curious about what might happen if literary fiction writers paid attention to them. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Or visual artists, or dancers, or poets, or playwrights (to my mind a kind of fiction writer).  I'm just being a bit parochial with the fiction; it's what I know best.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;****&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For me, the lab’s views of life prompt questions to do with the meaning of death:  What happens when your brother dies; is it bearable, the idea that he is not anywhere?  That what you knew as brother was a set of processes that ran and ended, bip?  What might be as powerful as Gilgamesh in that?   (Would it matter that your brother was a robot, if you remembered &lt;i&gt;brother&lt;/i&gt;?)  If  you foreshorten human existence to “the time between on and off”, how might people conceive of their lives and the dead?  If after death is nothing -- not even the revulsion of nihilism, or the sadistic indifference of existentialism -- then what changes, lightly, in the everyday world?  What becomes of such notions as redemption, reward, sin, transcendence, immortality through memory and works, all of which feel necessary now?   More interestingly to me, what’s different about walking down the street; what happens if you need to use the phone in a store?  Scraps of penny philosophy about life and death surely inform our own peculiar vision, shape how we act, how we perceive the meaning of a stranger, not even a customer, coming in off the sidewalk. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I expect other writers would have different questions, and I think it’d be useful to have rich, literary stories and novels that posit the lab’s views as part of a taken-for-granted worldview.  I’m talking not about novels of robots and lab tentacles,  but about novels of living rooms, marriages, births and deaths; the same as any other literary novel.  Novels that contend with the questions of living with the lab’s apparent realities.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/21553664-113840603381186150?l=usrobots.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/feeds/113840603381186150/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21553664&amp;postID=113840603381186150' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/113840603381186150'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/21553664/posts/default/113840603381186150'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://usrobots.blogspot.com/2006/01/is-we-is-or-is-we-aint.html' title='Is we is, or is we ain&apos;t?'/><author><name>Amy Charles</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07001791173242631714</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry></feed>
